Making your own Backups! - Update

Well this is obviously why you aren't seeing the info.

Did you read this thread? I said in order to do that, you need a drive flashed with 0800. So you try a kreon?

re-read this thread again.

 

thanks for confirming. i guess im going to have to give up on l4d2 since i cant find a rip that contains v2.

 

I think he's saying that his logs from the Kreon are identical to a log from an 0800 rip, saying that all the angles are picked up, as well as SSv2... I wonder if that is even possible...

 

So i have a samsung with ixtreme 1.61 on it. To rip games using it do i only have to start windows up with it connected and have the tray half open??? Should I use XBC or schtrom360xtract??

 

Thanks haza12d. Thats what i mean here is the link again for the rip using my kreon drive. http://pastebin.com/m5cdf49f6 , it looks the same as the rip from the 0800 unless i am not looking at the right place. Correct me if im wrong.

idk if it hleps but yea
So I went ahead and downloaded a version of Mw2 so i can compare it with the rip i did(using the Kreon drive)when i ran the downloaded one through abgx it did not show all the ss angles..here is the log for the Downloaded mw2 version. http://pastebin.com/m288a1fc1

 

look at line #91, it says ssv1. if you want to see it easier,set verbosity to high in abgx.

 

oh ok thats one way to look at it.
the kreon rip is ssv2 and the downloaded one is ssv1. so does this mean kreon is safe?

 

Here are the comparison results of a retail disc rip for Left 4 Dead 2.



As stated in the photo, in ABGX's quickstart guide and these results ... Kreon drives can not rip SS v2 discs properly.

 

Ok but If u look at my postes i get the ssv2 on the mw2 which i ripped using a kreon drive, but i get the ssv1 on the mw2 which i downloaded. So wat does that mean? also does all the games have ssv2 or just the newer ones?

 

i have no idea how your kreon rip says ssv2 unless you got it confused with the downloaded one because my kreon rip is v1 and my download is v2.

 

ssv2 was found awhile back... I believe in one of the soccer games. Just a quick search show it was around since at least July. Most likely earlier, I'm sure. You can see it mentioned starting in the 3rd post.

http://www.xboxhacker.net/index.php?action=profile;u=6899;sa=showPosts

 

Take into account that there are multiple different uploads of mw2 that you can download.
I also thought that was weird after reading this post so i downloaded a version of mw2. I am a hundered percent sure i checked over 10times (and i just checked again) the downloaded one show only ssv1 and the retail of mw2 I ripped using a kreon drive shows the ssv2.
I am really confused now

 

that is very odd, but i would assume as long as its v2 you're good to go. very lucky your kreon seems to rip it correctly!

 

Reading the description of what SS V2 actually is, it doesn't seem to me that there's any such thing as "SS V2 games" or "SS V2 discs". It's just a new method of recording the angles in the SS, so it should apply to any game you rip, right? I've seen posts on other forums where people are ripping old games such as Oblivion with an 0800 drive and it's showing as SS V2 but doesn't that just mean that the angles have been recorded twice, which is what's supposed to happen?

Can someone rip an old game with an 0800 drive and see if it's the case, because I could be wrong, but I think people are getting hold of the wrong end of the stick here.

 

Just checked my Forza 2 rip and it shows as SSv2...

Confused now lol

 

Yeah, this is what I thought would happen. Reading the description from abgx360 of what SS V2 actually is, it seems it's a feature of the firmware and not something that's specific to particular games. Rip with a Kreon drive and you'll get SS V1. Rip with an 0800 drive and you'll get SS V2. Saying that "Kreon cannot rip SS V2 discs properly" implies that there's SS V2 discs, but from what I can see there's not.

 

So are we now assuming that Kreon rips are ok then! Lol really need an expert answer on this rather than just speculating to be honest.

Quite funny because I bought a Kreon drive brand new for £23 then saw this thread winged it on ebay as I thought it was useless now it seems maybe not...

 

So your saying

0800 will always produce SS V2 (even if disc is SS V1)
Kreon will always produce SS V1 (even if disc is SS V2)

The latter is most definetly correct, but the former cant be. I need to get 0800 on my spare benq and do some tests.

Mind you I havent ripped a L4D2 with my kreon yet, might see what that turns up tonight.

 

I am saying that, but it's just an educated guess based on reading what SS V2 actually is, which to me is a product of the improved ripping process that 0800 offers and is not some new kind of protection added to recent games. I don't think there's such a thing as "SSV1 discs" and "SSV2 discs" and so far I've not seen any evidence to the contrary.

Someone ripped Oblivion with an 0800 drive and got SS V2. The guy above ripped Forza 2 and got SS V2. IMO, this is what 0800 is designed to do with every game. It stores extra angles etc. compared to the Kreon method. If it was something that appeared in newer games then SS V2 wouldn't show up in a rip of Oblivion, which is a 3½ year old game.

A post from Xboxhacker backs this theory up too: -

 

This is absolutely correct. SS v2 appears to be a more precise ripping method and not a type of game disc security.

Since reading the last few posts, I decided to rip a few older retail game discs with my 0800 drive and the results confirmed this.

Peter Jackson's King Kong (2005): SS v2
Test Drive Unlimited (2006): SS v2
Turok (2007): SS v2

So basically, the 0800 method reads more angles and deviation values than a Kreon drive without decoding any new disc securities.

Note: Poor choice of words in my previous post ("ss v2 discs"). It should have read kreon drives can not perform ss v2 rips.