Media Sales week of 1/15/06 thru 1/21/06

@sheempa

anyone can argue for days whether dvd-r format is "better" or dvd+r format is "better"...but, it comes down to COMPATIBILITY...IF your dvd burner supports bitsetting (ie. booktyping your dvd+r format to dvd-rom) it WILL be more compatible on standalones than even the dvd-r format~

just depends what you have to work with...

i am personally a dvd+r guy, booktyped to dvd-rom of course...but, i do use the occasional dvd-r for my family's standalone player that is UNUSUALLY picky about my dvd+r booktyped to dvd-rom...while USUALLY the opposite is true for most people, my family's standalone Toshiba does NOT like my dvd+r booktyped to dvd-rom, but will play dvd-r format flawlessly...freak of nature type thing i suppose...

so, it comes down to IF your dvd burner is bitset capable...IF it is, then i would suggest the dvd+r format discs booktyped to dvd-rom for the highest compatibility with stand alone players...

the PREFERENCE of using dvd-r or dvd+r is a PERSONAL decision...no one format is "better" than the other, it comes down to what works best for YOUR INDIVIDUAL setup. the ONLY thing i can suggest is that you USE GOOD QUALITY media, in either format of your choosing, otherwise, it won't matter what plays or not if you are going to have pixellation/freezing/skipping/and a myriad of OTHER playback issues when using cheap/poor quality media.

docTY~

 

thanks kivory666 for the info I wont be writing at 16 in fact I wish I could get 1x out of them I am using them for my backup ps2 games, do you think changing fimrware would allow that for me? I have an NEC 3540 with hacked firmware (I am not sure which one I would have to look) or do you think the 4x would be ok? ~E

 

docTY, I actually tried just for the hell of it to overburn those disks at 16X. I did only a couple of them, got a quality score of 100% on one (bragging a bit). What I found is that the PIE is a bit higher then normal when burned at 8X. So while I'm not advocating either overburning them it can be done. TY is sweeeeet media

EWeeks, I use the same burner with Liggy@Dee fw, the best burns I get is at 8X. I'm not sure for the PS2 part though.

 

@dr.no & eweeks~

while i have NO doubt that your NEC can overburn the 8x rated TYs @16x, that's why i stated "you COULD burn them @16x if you wanted to"...i have a Nec 3520a which CAN overburn @16x too, my Pioneer dvr-109 can ALSO burn these @ 16x as well AND my Benq 1640 for purpose of ANOTHER example of my drives that can~

i have done a few MYSELF, much like you have, @16x, but on ALL my 8x rated TY media, i have PERSONALLY found that burning @8x for ME produces the BEST results~

i am not trying to argue with anyone here, some of these drives are built so well that overburning is QUITE possible and i have seen it for MYSELF on my various drives mentioned above~

while i have never gotten a 100% quality score over-burning @16x on 8x media, i have observed many 90%+ scores.

everyone's individual setups and burning drives will be different...good to hear of your 100% score @16x, that is quite impressive.

regarding the firmware to burn @1x, i don't really know as i seldomly use my NEC, it's on my 2nd computer and not a primary drive i use daily...also, i don't own a PS2 nor have i ever made a backup of a game...a good member to ask would be "alkohol" he does backups of games and is far more knowledgeable than i am in terms of backups for games~ i've only READ that burning SLOWLY produces better quality backups for games, but i don't have any experience in that field...

docTY~

 

Just purchased the only 2 packs of Sony MIJ DVD-R's at Staples. They come up as Taiyo Yunden, TYG02... I assume I made a good grab!! The others were MIT. They did have the Sony DVD+R's that were MIJ but I have never used +R before so I left them on the shelf. Thinking now that maybe I made a mistake! Oh well life goes on...

 

@peteacher

WOW, are you serious?...that is the 1st time i've read ANY reports of Sony MIJ 8x dvd-r being TYGO2s...as you stated here:

this media ID coding was scanned and done using dvdidentifier/dvdinfopro???

the reason for my shock is that i've ONLY found the TYG02s (genuine Taiyo Yuden in the 8x dvd-r format) under the Fujifilm brand MIJ naturally~ this is the FIRST time i've seen reports of it being Taiyo Yuden in the 8x dvd-r format for Sony....

hmm...if this is a "trend" that will continue in the near future...i will have to start looking into the Sony MIJ 8x dvd-r format more carefully...

i just want to CONFIRM and make sure you did in fact get the Sony brand 8x dvd-r MIJ that gave you the TYG02 coding when run through a media ID program...this is VERY good news if this continues....hey, even I learn new stuff today...perhaps Sony is using Taiyo Yuden in the MIJ dash format now...before, it was the identical Sony08D1 coding on BOTH the MIT and MIJ spindles...guess the tides have turned..

docTy~

 

@kivory666

I used DVD Identifier and this is what I got:

** INFO : Drive = _NEC DVD_RW ND-2500A [FW 1.06]
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD+R DVD+RW
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD-R DVD-RW
** INFO : Disc = [DVD-R:TYG02]
** INFO : Reference Speed : 1x DVD = 1385 kBps
** INFO : An Writeable Disc Is Recommended For Accurate Results
** INFO : Write Speeds (Supported By This Drive On This Disc) Listed Below

** INFO : GET PERFORMANCE Write Speed Descriptor(s)
Descriptor #1 = 10816 kBps ( 7.81x) - [Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 = 8112 kBps ( 6.00x) - [Pure CAV]
Descriptor #3 = 5408 kBps ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #4 = 2704 kBps ( 2.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]

** INFO : MODE SENSE Write Speed Descriptor(s) [Legacy Command]
** WARNING : MODE SENSE Is Obsolete And Not Always Properly Supported
Descriptor #1 = 5645 kBps ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 = 4234 kBps ( 3.06x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #3 = 3528 kBps ( 2.55x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #4 = 2822 kBps ( 2.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #5 = 1411 kBps ( 1.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #6 = 706 kBps ( 0.51x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]

Hopefully I did not give any misinformation since I am new to all this!

 

@ bunnyrip
I also saw the Sony DVDs on sale, but at Best Buy today. 100DVD+R $19.95. Alas they were made in Taiwan according to package. I passed. Buyer beware.

 

@peteacher

well, you got yourself some 8x dvd-r TAIYO YUDENS right there...no worries, you posted everything correctly

and this is in the MIJ Sony 8x dvd-r packs you just got? nicely done.

docTY~

p.s. you could also update your firmware as i suggested in the other thread

http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/287915

...latest for YOUR drive is 1.0A found here:

http://forum.rpc1.org/dl_firmware.php?download_id=1740

it doesn't hurt to "teach ur drive" this new media info~

 

@ bunnyrip
I also saw the Sony DVDs on sale, but at Best Buy today. 100DVD+R $29.95 Alas they were made in Taiwan according to package. I passed. Buyer beware.

 

@ kivory666

Thanks... I was hoping I did things right. Had there been more MIJ Sony's there I would have scooped them up. Unfortunately that was not the case. As far as the firmware... I have not updated it because everything seems to be working just fine without the update. Being a newbie, I am scared to go ahead and update it for fear I will screww something up and render my drive useless to me. As long as things are working fine, I shall leave it be. Once things start messing up I will refer back to your great advice and go ahead with the "project" as I like to call it. You have been a great help!! Thanks again...

 

@peteacher

no worries, good luck w/ ur burns and if there is nothing "broke" right now, and you experience ZERO issues, then there is no reason to "fix something that ain't broke"

happy burnin'

docTY~

 

I have been using the +r's all afternoon for PS2 games and I am getting scores of 97-98 with Nero. I would post the pic of the scan but I do not know how could someone tell me how it is done?

 

Hi...I don't have some of the identifier programs mentioned here but I use SmartBurn to get the info. I bought a 50-pk of the Sony DVD-R MIJ at Staples and on Smartburn they coded out to Sony. I was expecting something along the lines of TY.... Is this bad? Thanks!

 

kivory666 has this info in the first page:

ALL Taiyo Yuden discs will have that laser inscribed coding, since my experience with Sony media isn't that extensive, for those that are questioning whether or not Taiyo Yuden made them, but Sony slapped it's own media ID coding on them...check the inner hub and let me know what it says...if you DO NOT find the "GG000xxx" (8x dvd-r) or "TG000xxx" (8x dvd+R) where "xxx" is the batch number of the discs...THAT will be the answer to whether they are Taiyo Yuden made or not...if you don't see this coding...you DO NOT have Taiyo Yudens...

 

docTY, I didn't mean to argue either, those TY are best burned at 8X agreed, that's what I observed myself with my setup. Quality seems to be better then at any other speed.

 

thanks for the reassurance....I just thought I had read on here that Sony MIJ were TY...is that just in the DVD+R?

 

I really did luck out! Too bad they didn't have anymore MIJ or I would have scooped them all up. I will have to check tomorrow and see if perhaps they got anymore in stock. One can hope!!