I know this is supposed to be a Memorex DL thread, but since it's turned into a TY/Verbatim thread I thought I would add some of my experiences. I recently bought 100 TY 8X hub printable from Supermediastore.com for $61.00. Since they were so expensive I thought they should be good. I seem to have a problem with probably more than 1 out of every 10 of them. They either burn excellently or they are a coaster. I believe they are genuine TY. The code on the hub is GG000095. I primarily burn them on my Pioneer DVR-109. I also have a Lite-On SOHW-1633S and an LG GSA-4163B, but the Pioneer seems to be the best burner. If there are any bad discs out there I seem to have the ability to get them. This particular disc is a TYG02 8X -R burned at 8X on my Pioneer. Look at these scans: You can see in the picture of the disc there is a circle a ways out from the center. I don't know what that is. I've never noticed it before. It could be caused by the burner shifting from 6X to 8X, but that happens at about 10% of the burn. The bad area is about 16-17% into the burn. Who knows. I'm sure I'll see more of this. Dave
@forkndave, don't worry about it, it's probably me veering off Memorex - it happens with media cus ppl join the threads and don't read up anything first, not even replies a few above theirs, then i end up having to explain over and over why substandard media is crap whether it's Memorex or whoever. As to that difference in colour after the burn in the centre, a couple of mine have that. I'll dig them out 2nite and CRC scan them as the only difference in colour you should see is at the outer edge of disc where you haven't burnt up to. As for your CRC errors that's atrocious EDIT- that CRC scan is <swearword bleeped out!> VERY bad - 948 errors, and in the one section of disc by looks of it. How many discs have these problems ?
I haven't noticed that circle before. I've been getting a fair number of coasters lately with TY and occasionally one with Verbatim. I just can't seem to make myself burn slower than 8X as long as I'm using decent discs. What usually happens is my Pioneer will burn about 500 MB or so and then it's supposed to shift to 8X. What it will do with TY sometimes is burn 500 MB at 6X and stop. It will indicate it's still burning, but 20 minutes later it's still around 10%. I generally have to remove power from the computer to get the disc out then. I've tried every firmware that I can find, but I still get this every once in a while, usually with a TY. About 90% of the time this doesn't happen I've heard that many of the DVR-109s are a POS. Maybe I have one. It's just that it burns so well when everything goes right. This is what TY scans normally look like: This was burned right after the other one, same conditions except for a different movie. I'm kind of a fanatic, sometimes, about checking discs. On every disc I run a quick disc quality test with Nero CD/DVD Speed. This spot checks the PI and PIF. If I see any big spikes I'll run a full K Probe test. I always use K Probe to check the first and last 5-10% of the disc because that's where most of the problems occur. I don't usually do a CRC test unless I see a problem. Like on those horrible Kprobe scans I had in another thread on Verbatim DL discs. I did check the CRC errors then. Dave
@forkndave - i may have mentioned this further up the thread, i only got into the PIF scanning lark to get a feel for how it all works, i don't bother with it very often, nor CRC scanning. However when i do have need to check a disc i will always lean towards CRC scanning as a more exact test. I think i did mention it in the first link in my sig too, but i've found some of these PIF scans say zero errors, what looks to be a cracking PIF/PIE scan too, but CRC scanned and found loads of corruption. That colour change on back of your disc in that picture may well correspond with the huge amount of corruption that the CRC scan showed..
creaky..... do you think it's his burner? TYs and Verbatims..... they are supposed to be one of the cream of the crops! I know that every now and then a disk may be in there that might be semi disfunctional but to have one coaster after another like forkndave has!? I haven't heard of anyone having this much probs with these disks!!!
unless there are others out there that are not reporting bad burns with TYs and Verbs....we can only assume that his burner is the prob!
Heh, I guess you can't expect every Verbatim and TY to be good, there will always be defects somewhere but that doesn't mean Verbatim is crap, same with TY.
the word "crap" need not be in the same sentence as "TY or Verbs"~ that would be a contradiction of terms~
*Warning* For all those who buy Verbatim CD-R, be careful of the ones you buy. I just brought a 100 pack spindle and they turned out to be manufactured by...............CMC Magnetics! The 50 pack I have here is by Mitsubishi. Watch out for the CMC, I can't believe they would be the OEM for Verbatim ~_~.
Hehe yeah, what would the world come to if CMC was also OEM for some Verbatim DVD-+R ;P. I'm going to return these right now and get a 50 pck, hopefully by Mitsubishi, a great Japanese OEM like Taiyo Yuden.
I very well probably do have a flakey burner. However, the bad burn example I showed above was a bad disc. I believe that the batch of TYs I got has a more than usual number of defects. The problem that I've had with the burner locking up at 10% is more than likely the burner. I seem to have better luck with the Verbs. On the last Verbs I've got, I sometimes find little pink spots on the data side that causes problems. There's not a lot of them, but it just seems to me that quality control is starting to slide on most of the brands anymore. I have 3 burners, all different brands, and have had problem discs with them all. It's just that the Pioneer is my favorite and it seems to be the most picky. Another thing is that I only use printable DVDs. For some reason the printables seem to have more defects, or at least that's been my observation. It's still a lot better than putting labels on them. I just don't care for marking a disc with a sharpie. Vanity, I guess. Dave
fork..... just get new disks and try again..... if that doesn't work..... Verbatim and Tys? try sony! then if they don't work your burner is the prob!
I'm not about to throw over $150.00 of DVDs away. I was just making a comment about some problems I've had with some TYs and Verbatims. I'm not saying they're no good. I don't believe my burner will make pink spots on some of the Verbatims. I have 3 burners and ocaisionally any of them will reject a disc. The Pioneer is just more picky, that's all. It normally has excellent burns. I don't think I would have any lock up problems if I would burn all of my TYs at 6X so that there wouldn't be a speed shift. It's just that I have to save that 2 minutes out of maybe an hour and a half process, I guess. Dave
Dave...... I burn my Taiyo Yuden DVD+R 8X at 16X!!! I have NO PROBLEMS AS OF YET..... OVER 25 THAT WAY NOW AND i STILL HAVE NO PROBLEMS........ but I did lower the speed as I have been told by others the slower is better so that's what I am doing! I haven't had a bad burn in over two Months now..... since I joined aD! I just went out and got 50 Verbatim spool (All MCC) and I also got a 50 spool of Sony (Yuden000T02) both are DVD+R 8x! These disks are top notch...... do you have DVDidentifier or DVDInfoPro they will tell you the Manufacturer ID and here is a link to what that ID means! http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm
Yes, My TYs are TYG02, My Verb -R are MCC03RG20 and my +R are MCC 004. The TYs are 8X and the Verbs are 16X. My Pioneer offers to burn the TYs at 12X. However, sometimes it only will burn at 8X even if 12X is selected. It apparently checks the disc quality before it starts to burn. I can tell if it's going to burn at 12X because if it doesn't it will take over a minute for the lead in. When it does burn at 12X the quality seems as good as 8X. The PI/PIF scans are comparable. I guess I'm not really having that many problems. It's just that when I saw that one that was really horrible, I got sort of steamed because it was a TY and I didn't expect that. My Pioneer burner will sometimes give me a coaster if I burn TY at 8X or above. It usually doesn't, though. I've gone through hundreds of Prodisc and Ritek with almost no coasters and I just figured that better discs would be better. I've had no longevity problems with Prodisc, but I have had some with Ritek. BeAll is complete crap as for as I'm concerned. I have used Sony, but not in a long time due to the unavailability of printable discs. I get the Verbs at a good price, so I'll probably keep on using them. I probably won't buy amy more TY after these are gone due to the price and the poor printing surface.. The TY were $61.00 plus shipping for a hundred and I can buy the Verbs here locally for something like $41.62 a hundred. I think I'm just running this thread into the ground. Dave
Doesn't it seem interesting, if you look at the dvd media page, there is an "exception" to the Taiwan rule. It seems that media from TDK and Mitsubishi have been relocated to be produced in Taiwan with possible OEM's being CMC Magnetics. "It has been confirmed that the geographic relocation hasn't affected their quality." Exceptions to the "Taiwan" rule: Not too long ago, Mitsubishi and TDK moved their operations to Taiwan. In fact, some of it apparently is being made in CMC Magnetics plants. However, because MCC and TDK are still using the same high quality methods and materials (this has been confirmed by a Verbatim spokesman), this geographic relocation has not affected the quality of their products.
@forkndave - can't you try lower speed, ie the proverbial 4x ?. i did try 8x for a little while but it's just not worth redoing stuff later or the cost of wasted discs. So now i'm sticking to 4x for as long as is necessary to achive faultless burns
I suppose I could, I guess, but I've always gotten lower PI/PIF scans when I burn at 6X than I do at 4X. I guess I must have made this sound like a bigger problem than it is. The disc that I had the real bad scan with was a bad disc. Occasionally my burner will not shift from 6X to 8X with a TY disc. About 1 out of every 10 discs (TY) do this. This is apparently a fault of the burner. What I can do is just burn the TY on one of my other burners. The LG is faster than the Pioneer anyway, although it won't burn the TY any faster than 8X. That doesn't really bother me. I only burn at 12X or 16X when I get new discs to see how they work. As far as the couple of Verbs that I've noticed pink spots on there's nothing I can do about that. If there are any bad discs out there I seem to have the ability to attract them. I've ordered sampler sets of DVDs and they would all be good. When I would order some they would be crap. I think this is related to Murphy's Law. Dave
