"menu" toolbar in opera and chrome

Please move as needed. What are the last version numbers of both CHROME and OPERA that include the traditional "menu " tool bar (file, view, edit, ect) that resides at the top of the screen? I was able to bring it up in FF version 56 through the "toolbar" box at the bottom of the screen and select "main menu". The menu is now displayed where it always was.
In opera version 12.16 that menu was selected through the OPERA logo upper left corner. In CHROME with the BLACK bar, version unknown, the same menu was there by default, I think. If not available using the WRENCH icon.
If I need to revert to an earlier version of both I will do that. I need to know which is the last version of each to install. Any help welcome.