Microsoft, bring on the neighsayers

Here it is, my rant. It must be said because I am so fed up. First off I need to say I am very proficient with computers. I build them, design my own websites, and have used probably 15 OS's in the last 10 years. I am very tired of seeing all the comments about MS. The fact of the matter is that Microsoft popularized the best OS. After alot of hard work and persevering lawsuits dating back to 1983, Bill Gates made popular A simple GUI in which average users could use. People dislike Bill Gates for two simple reasons, one he is stinking rich, which draws animosity from alot, the second is that he is attempting to protect his software with security. For some reason ignorant people think it is greedy for a rich man to try to stop people from stealing his programs. I am well versed in many Linux apps which I have tried just to try them, including redhat, suse, mepis, pclinuxos, xandros. They have better security in general and are better for advanced users such as I to play with, however for practicality and speed, modern Windows OS are unmatched. I have now used Windows Vista premium for roughly 6 months. I do not see the complaints that people purpose and chalk it up to more ignorant MS haters. In fact, after playing with linux dual booting with Windows for years I now have 1 partition running Vista alone. The security is considerably tighter than XP with all the functionality. Vista has yet to crash, lag up, show me any adverse reaction at all. It came with all the necessary drivers for all of my hardware, people tend to whine about drivers as well.

Anyway, this is where all the children with access to their parents pc's will get on and say the usual, "man this guy must work for microsoft" or any other number of things silly people state when a valid point is made. I don't work for MS, in fact I am a very average man who is just tired of seeing the nonsense.

 

Your opinion.. Stay locked in.. and those of us who actually care about choice and freedom from commercial monopoly will label you a jerk..

Many large businesses and government organisations across the world have taken a long hard look at vista and rejected it. Price, function, performance and security... All are against M$. There is no compelling argument to "upgrade" to ME II .. It does nothing that xp doesn't, and a lot that xp does better. I spend a lot of my working week removing vista from new computers and installing xp..(against my principles, but I accept that most one click muppets don't have a chance with *nix) Why?? because it doesn't work. It may work for you.. a self proclaimed expert, but it doesn't work for "joe bloggs".. end of story.

A heavy lazy overbearing anti-competitive monopoly can only fall, and when it does it will leave a lot of very ignorant and very unhappy computer owners.

It would be very funny if it wasn't so sad. (actually I was against the marketing strategy of M$ way back in 1995.. They only got where they did by giving it away free in competition with pricey and restrictive vendors) If they carry on like this they will go the way of sco-unix and os/2.. a distant memory. The computing history books are full of failed systems, which were all far superior to anything ever offered by M$

 

Most of 'em from a windows computer too.

/me goes hunting for the open source os only brigade.

 

"A heavy lazy overbearing anti-competitive monopoly can only fall..."
Ant-competitive? You my friend are clearly NOT a businessman or have an inkling of business relations. Of course they are anti-competitive! That is the entire basis and goal of every business in the entire world. To eliminate competition and dominate globally. Without competition there is no "price wars" that dictate the financial structure. You are faulting a business for its initial dominant selling ability and intelligent marketing. That is illogical. A monopoly is not good for the consumer who will have to pay more money for a product but you can hardly fault a company, Microsoft, for obtaining what every single company out there is trying for. Review your statements and logically deduce what is at fault of the company. When you are done and if you can see the situation as it is then maybe you can find another reason to dislike them. As for the XP Vista comparison why bother. Vista is a better system for anyone who has used both and knows what they are talking about. Worth the upgrade? Probably not for the average user. The GUI is not much different so use is identical, support is slightly lower, security much higher. Ironically most people I have spoke to whom do not like Vista have never used it or have used it for a day. Also ironically, all of my friends who whine about the monopoly and how rich Gates is have stolen or used someone elses copy for the OS. Humorous. The fact is Microsoft will never fall. They may find competition someday when someone creates an OS worthy of competing. I am all about people making their own decisions and having a choice. Just don't whine for the sake of whining. Too many people sport the "the man is holding me down" nonsense and it gets old. Everywhere I read, hell even my own friends, all talk about M$ with a negative connotation. "if your expecting this then why even post?" I got tired of hearing it and not saying anything for years, I finally needed to say something.

 

I didn't notice me doing any whining. More a considered assessment of the situation regarding a faltering and out of ideas monopoly.

Those aren't just my views, they are shared by an increasing minority of professional computer users.. You know the ones.. The people who make decisons which affect huge numbers of machines in multinational corporations. They find vista to be below the standards they demand from an operating system, and like me though they would probably like to move forward and recommend it, they cannot justify the cost when balanced against the actual performance gains.

The enforced tie in of the OEM manufacturers is a case in point. So far only Dell feel they have the commercial clout to buck the trend and say "Hey.. maybe it really isn't good enough". All the others are just behaving like sheep.. exactly the same situation Intel have put retailers in with anti-competitive business practices.
Both these companies have lost restrictive practices lawsuits, and think they have such a monopoly they can ignore the results.

If you believe that this is a good situation the only comment I can make is.. You are being ripped off, and you are believing all the smoke and mirrors. It's obvious that the law makers and enforcers are in the pockets of big business. Since when has a monopoly been good business? The communist system was built on non-competition and where did that end up.. Yup, static and bankrupt. The lessons of history are there writ plain.. Big, lazy and monopolistic, with a perceived guaranteed market leads to stagnation and eventual failure.
Luckily for everybody who lives now there are people like me who choose to think for ourselves and refuse to be backed into a corner. Our day is coming.. We are the future, whether you like it or not.

 

I posted a great big list of big business which are running open source (specifically SuSE). You would be surprised at some of the household names. I'm enjoying this..

What about the US Department of Transport.. and the military..and http://tech.netscape.com/viewstory/...ww.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=39087

http://www.cio.com/article/31768/Open_Source_Your_Opensource_Plan

and OOPS http://www.darkjedi.dk/?cat=3

 

You interpreting my message incorrectly. Personally I could not care less how well Microsoft does in sales, it does not effect me either way. However, I will NOT belittle a company because of how successful it has become. And in summary thats all it boils down to. I do not give two figs how they got where they are, they got there and I admire that. If they were never a rich dominant corporation they would not be attacked by little minded degrades out of petty jealousy. I have a scenario to mull over for you, say "Joe Blow" invented Mepis before windows came around and Joe became a hugely rich and successful man with sporting a dominant company, meanwhile an unknown man named Bill Gates is trying to get an OS named Windows off the ground. End of scenario. You know what would happen? Everyone would be on the Microsoft bandwagon, fighting for the underdog vs the giant mean old company Joe Blow heads. People are over critical because of the companies success. And people find Vista to be below the standards they expect in an OS....LOL. Then they are not using any Windows and that is fine. The standards of Vista are the highest Windows has manufactured as of yet. Money is a different story, if you would have just said they did not want to upgrade to an OS that is only slightly better for that much more money that is believable. If it had not come on my new pc I would not have gotten the opportunity to test it myself because I would have stayed with XP. You mentioned people wanting it taken off new pc's for Xp thats just ludicrous and you should explain to the customer no matter how computer illiterate they may be that it is not a high learning curve (insert chuckle here).

Nephilim, good post btw I read the articles and found them interesting, it is a very pricey and somewhat risky move for Munich to attempt but I hope they succeed actually. We know the prior record for Germany's financial decision making. Not overly impressive. But, there is No council here. I do not care about you or anyone that I do not know. Make all the decisions in the world. Yet again another person is taking my message incorrectly. I heed no council merely stating my opinion that I think much finger pointing and anger silly over something as trivial and mundane as what operating system is running on a computer. Next we will compare hard drive sizes and argue who has the longer SATA cable.


And the world rolls on.

 

The title of this thread made me laugh... I don't know if it matters, but a "neighsayer" would be a talking horse. In English horses neigh, cows low, donkeys bray, cats mew, dogs bark. Did you mean "naysayers"?

But not English it seems...

Let's all bow down to the Master! Well, I'm even more proficient. I build 'em, use 'em, break 'em, wear 'em out, I've used over 142 operating systems in the last 30 years, I'm irresistible to women, I do brain surgery for a hobby, and, I'm such a modest and unassuming guy!

 

Say nephilim, doesn't this person perhaps match the IP adress of someone previously banned ?
Because i have a number of possible folks in mind that fit the M.O.

@ Blasterjk : Mac OSX has better security, equal practical use, and with the new Intel CPU line, equal speeds.
As for Vista, i'd say, check these windows forums to see how many folks have problems with just about EVERYTHING they want to do.
I think all those opinions and problems speak a lot louder than your pathetic plight for attention for the "very average man who is just tired of seeing the nonsense", AKA the sad, trolling IT tech wannabe with the loud mouth and the lack of brains.
Hell, even Mark Russinovich disagrees with you on Vista's "tight security", he even stated that Vista will not do much better than XP.
And i'd like to think Russinovich knows his stuff.

Unlike you, because you're obviously just spewing out propaganda because you'd rather see your paying customers buy over-rated, over priced windows discs and licenses off you so you can get some nice, fat kickback checks from "Uncle Bill".

 

"very average..."

 

Wow.....Fiend seen this before I did...and let him go without a scratch@!!! hahaha....

Let's see:

10 years. Wow. I'll try to contain my humble idealisms in front of such prowess.

I'll take your 10 years of experience, and raise ya 10. How's that? Make ya feel any better that your opinion trumps those that have twice your experience with operating systems?

Here's a simple point you should recollect on.

Very few individuals experience a pain free Microsoft life. In fact...it's non-existent. All machines running MS software have crashed, stuttered, glitched, crawled to a painfully slow, irritating and confusing experience for every user. Whether they were attuned to it or not. You are not among any elite user that suffered 0% casualties..or exposed to threats to security because of faulty code.

Now....this can be said about all software. None of it is perfect, but unlike you, we've all become to live with it. Despite our ongoing opinions about how it affects our daily lives.

Yep. He's the biggest thief the world has known. His lawsuits don't balance themselves out between what's really his and what's not. They tilt so far in the favor of other's having the idea first, and MS stealing it then any other.

More security? Vista's UAC is a joke. Once turned off because of it's annoying attributes, it leaves everything vulnerable. Including the lame excuse for a browser, IE. Yep...UAC controls Protected Mode in IE....make ya feel all warm and fuzzy doesn't it?
The Beta2 version was infected with a rootkit.
BIOS code has now been released to control Vista before it even boots up...(or any OS for that matter)
The Windows firewall is no more user friendly than a rabies infected pitbull with an appetite for small children.

I have tested, crashed...and even watched MS release fixes for what I've personally seen happen to the OS.

Hmmmmmmmmm.......assumption that anyone responding must be a child. Assume: Ass + U + Me.

Rants are for children. Heated discussions, debates, challenging opinions and bouncing idealisms is what the rest of us are about.

You are far from the top of experienced users here in this forum. Know that...and you just might learn something new.

 

I like all you guys. This truly is humor to me. First of all what we are discussing is completely subjective, there is NO BEST OS. When I say "the best os is Vista" clearly I am speaking from my point of view. Thus for me Vista is best. XP was not bad at all, however even I managed to gain 2 or 3 viruses using it for a few years. I may or may not get a virus at some point with Vista. Who cares. It will not last more than a few minutes. I would say a solid 70% of pc errors begin in front of the keyboard. Which is exactly why which OS is a moronic argument. I have a friend who recently had a whole partition disappear in deletion while he was playing with his Xandros updater. Bad program? Nah, its not horrible. The problem faced is that he is one of THOSE people. The kind that get a new video game system and right away rip it apart to mod it without having a clue then whine when they cannot make it work or have ruined it. I have a question to all whom have answered this post and have an opinion on the matter. Why don't you guys think people should be allowed a choice in their OS. I hear alot of the same regurgitated rhetoric on the monopoly and how we should have a choice. But you guys stating we can make up our own minds are being hypocrites. All I have done is made my choice and explained why and I am being attacked for my choice. I would never attack someone else for using Linux, thats their choice.

Indochine, I am glad someone caught my slightly vague attempt at humor in using "neigh" sayers. Congratulations. People could have used 50 OS's, does not mean a thing to me. You could teach a monkey to turn on a computer sporting 100 different os's then make the same claim.

The Fiend, I do not know you and am actually new here. And honestly I am trying to decide whether to even waste the time to respond to your simpleton thread. Since I have an opinion on everything why not. You, my friend old Fiend are a dolt of the highest caliber. Pathetic plight for attention? You actually believe me giving my opinion on an OS could not be real and that it is merely a plight for attention? Change your name to The_Dolt. Just because I give my opinion in favor of Microsoft it angers your puny mind enough to respond insultingly to me? You do not know me. Keep your arguments in forums you know like which new Barbie doll is the best. Kickbacks from uncle bill....do I need to point how stupid THAT one sounds? Since when did they start giving kickbacks to small town mechanics like myself for saying they like the product? There would be a hell of a lot of kick backs for a lot of people just for stating they liked microsoft. I am all about having opinions, just do not belittle mine because it is not akin of yours. And yes around 15 OS's. And Morph416 do not bother beginning an argument over whom has more experience. When I say 15 os used I mean I know EVERYTHING about 14 of them inside and out (still working on Vista). You can teach a dog to drag a rake but he is not a master yardsman.

Sigh. I grow weary of defending my position and choice. I have always just said you have your choice I have mine. But you people hold such hate for M$ that you will not allow my choice without a fight. Originally my post began to defend M$, not whether Vista is better or XP. For me Vista is better. No crash. No lag. No virus's (knock on wood). Do what you like. The_Fiend your better off just buying an old atari and stay away from the big boy toys.

In the end of the linux/Windows debates, ask yourself this:
Which Would Jesus Use?

 

blasterjk, I did not detect your "humor" as you call it. I thought you just didn't write English too well. I still think so. You have an excessively high opinion of your own cleverness.

 

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AAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That has got to be the most profound, assinine, self-ego inflating comment the computing world has yet to see. A self pronounced KNOW IT ALL in regards to operating systems.

This man has proclaimed that he knows more than Microsoft...more than Mozilla, Google, (to name a few from fields abroad)...

So tell us all this genius.....(oh, you're banned, you can't) but, you might be able to blog about it someday.

When Microsoft, or other OS community comes across a bug in their software...and it's "under investigation", you should give them your number. Because you know everything about XP, Ubuntu (even the last release which is barely a week old), BeOS, Unix, MacOSX....and all the other great OS apps...you should be able to solve their issues without further ado.

It's about damn time we have someone stand up and say they know everything....

/sarcasm

 

(blasterjk's final hoorah) This will be my final visit to this abysmal site. It is sad really, I have contributed in the xbox360 forums to help people for the last couple of weeks, since I joined. I am actually new here and do not care who believes me. I use the term "old friend" in an old fashioned british way. But beware new readers if you see this in time, this is a horrible site in which you will be attacked for your opinion and insulted but not allowed rebuttal. And under NO circumstances do you say good things about M$. Leave now and find a site where 12yr old admins looking to ban for fun do not hold the power. Those that made valid points I salute, a few of you know what you are saying and it was fun. The rest, well whatever, good luck to you. Nephilim you were not in the right for this ban, I read the "zero tolerance" policy and as silly and limiting as I find it to be I agree I did overstep it. As did others that joined this thread. Zero tolerance says it all, I have been insulted as well as giving insults. I want to see the other bans. But that will not happen. And my guess is because of the biased discussion. Indochine, I purposely used "neighsayer" referencing the old wizened saying "straight from the horses mouth" which is also a column I do in another forum.

Afterthought, I wonder if someone has ever tried such a crazy scheme as a lawsuit against a forum for denying the Civil liberty to voice an opinion. Hmmm probably not.