necessity of dvd43 or anydvd before dvdshrink?

HEADLINE OF THIS THREAD: necessaty of dvd43 or anydvd before dvdshrink?...

Boy, do I enjoy watching a fight develop anytime and anyplace! Brobear! Searcher1! Give me five minutes to advertise this match! Hold on a minute till I can let everybody know about this!

 

Me thinks that a lack of understanding a program should preclude one from making statements which are just plain out-and-out untrue.

DVD Shrink is set up to use DVD Decrypter as an "automatic" default burning tool for those who either don't have the money for an unnecessary program or simply don't wish to spend $49.95 (USD) for a burner when a most excellent one is waiting to do the job for free –
Once in place, and the proper boxes “ticked,” the same as Nero, DVD Decrypter will do an excellent job of burning for DVD Shrink.

The difference being when using Nero as a burning tool, the files burned to the blank DVD are those in a VIDEO_TS folder whereas when using DVD Decrypter as a default burner it is an ISO image which is burned. The end result is exactly the same – a playable DVD.

To expound upon a topic brobear, you should have at least read just a little about it –

Cheers,

Pete

 

Well Pete,
You're absolutely right. If one wants to save their dollars and not buy a good suite of burning software, they can use DVD Decrypter to burn ISO files for DVD Shrink. Sort of limiting but it is free. Nothing untrue there.

I have DVD Decrypter, DVD Shrink and the Nero Platinum suite on my PC, minus InCD of course. I know how to use Shrink to create ISO images on the HD. Of course after unticking the default Nero choice and then choosing the other options. Let a Newbie jump in there without detailed instructions. Your instructions are concise, so you make it possible for those wanting to learn how to do so.

I am adept at using decrypters such as SmartRipper, DVD Decrypter, and the like. I can use the Video_TS files. I even tick the little box where it says to preserve multi-angles when I have a movie that requires the choice (other decrypters, not in Shrink). As a lot of software programs utilize ISO files, I even know how to use those.

With Nero Platinum there are still some programs in the suite that I haven't used. Recode2 is one of the good recording programs included, for recording DVD video, that I use a lot. Then there is the burning ROM which works so well with DVD Shrink. (Still say the guy that wrote the DVD Shrink must have had Nero in mind. Otherwise why make it the default burner and the one button ease. Not free though.) Then of course like any good creator of software, the author left backup options open to the user, such as Decrypter.

Glad to see though that you think Shrink and Nero is a good option for those wanting to spend a few dollars. (Never could quite figure out spending the money for a PC with a DVD burner, buying DVDs and movies, and not being willing to spend some dollars for a superior software package: maybe the PC was a gift.) Glad to see you spent some money on software, or were the software gifts? Anyway, just so no one thinks I'm putting words in your mouth, here is a copy of your favorites from another thread here at AD.

[bold]ScubaPete’s Basic Cooking Recipes

1. DVDShrink (ver. 3.1.7) ISO mode + DVD Decrypter ISO write mode (FREE)

2. DVD Shrink (ver 3.1.7) + Nero (ver 6. OR ver 5.5)

3. DVD Shrink (ver 3.1.7) + CopyToDVD

4. AnyDVD or DVD43 + DVD2One + CopyToDVD

5. AnyDVD or DVD43 + CloneDVD2

6. AnyDVD or DVD43 + Nero Recode 2

7. For DVD-5's (FREE)
DVD Decrypter in the ISO read mode + DVD Decrypter in the ISO write mode

8. DVD XCopy Xpress (ver. 2.5.1, 3.0 and 3.2.1) + 321 Gone (Pre RF versions)

9. DVD Xcopy - Original (ver 1.5.0, 1.5.2) - (Pre RF versions)

ALSO, it doesn’t hurt to makeup your own Recipe booklet,

Example:

For Starters - I always create a folder on my Desktop named " All DVD Work" and before ripping my DVD’s I create another sub-folder with the name of the movie I'm backing up. (i.e. “All DVD Work\The last Samurai.”)

Program burning recipes:

When using DVD Shrink & Nero - Make sure in DVD Shrink “Edit”, “Preferences”, “I/O File”, tick the box which says “Enable burning with Nero”.Also, in “Backup”, Select Target Device”, Browse until you have your DVD burner. Nero will burn to disc “Automatically”.

When using DVD Shrink & DVD Decrypter - Make sure in DVD Shrink “Edit”, “Preferences”, “I/O File”, un-tick the box which says “Enable burning with Nero”.Also, in “Backup”, Select Target Device” choose ISO Disc Image and remember to “tick” the box which says, “Launch DVD Decrypter to burn the output image”. DVD Decrypter will burn to disc “Automatically”.

When using DVD Shrink and Nero to burn an ISO image, Make sure in DVD Shrink “Edit”, “Preferences”, “I/O File”, un-tick the box which says “Enable burning with Nero”.Also, in “Backup”, Select Target Device” choose ISO Disc Image and in “Select target image file” choose your pre-made file to send your ISO file too. Lastly, remember to “Un-tick” the box which says, “Launch DVD Decrypter to burn the output image”.

When using Nero to burn your ISO image, use Nero StartSmart - “Click” the DVD tab in upper right - then “click” the 5th tab, under DVD tab "Copy and backup” then choose “Burn Image to Disc”. This should open Nero Express. Use this to burn your ISO Image to your blank DVD.


Keeping the programs separated is very important.


LASTLY,
As far as Roxio goes, there are a ton of documented cases of Roxio and Nero not playing well together. Should you begin to encounter problems I suggest that you look in Roxio’s direction. At the very least, go to msconfig and un-check anything that deals with Roxio, you don’t have any good reason to have it on your startup board.

When you have time, check Nero out for your Video to DVD projects.[/bold]

Left the whole thing in there for the Newbies. I liked that part about checking out Nero.

Then again I notice that you have the programs listed differently sometimes, as gigie posted a copy of your recipes with Decrypter following Shrink plus Nero in your choices. I do notice you were working with Betas here and not the new version. Guess they weren't listed in order of your preference or were they?

[bold]Pete's Basic Cooking Recipes

1. DVDShrink (ver. 3.0 Beta 5, ver. 3.1.4 and ver. 3.1.6 Beta 2) + Nero

2. DVD43 / AnyDVD (I have both) + CloneDVD

3. DVD43 / AnyDVD + DVD2One

4. DVD43 / AnyDVD + Nero Recode 2

5. DVD Decrypter in File mode, (for DVD-5's) + Nero

6. DVD XCopy Xpress (ver. 2.5.1, 3.0 and 3.2.1) + 321 Gone

7. Decrypter in ISO mode [/bold]

I think I've used the various programs enough to know how they work. In fact I have all the software listed with the exception of a ripper. I can also read the guides to find a particular setting if I forget something. So I think I am fairly well informed.

Interesting point: [bold]Default is the setting that is preset in a program.[/bold] When one changes a setting it is no longer the default. Most programs come with default settings. Then a person has the option of changing things to suit them. Here is what the website says about DVD Shrink and DVD Decrypter:

[bold]DVD SHRINK VERSION HISTORY

Version 3.1.7 - 14 March 2004
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Added function to read and write ISO files, also backup option
to burn an ISO file with DVD Decrypter.[/bold]

Sort of interesting that the official site listed Decrypter as only a backup option. I guess one could say the "default" backup option.

[bold]So, I am still saying Nero is the default. Decrypter is a backup option for those not wanting to spend any money or having software problems. Hate to see you calling me a teller of untruths (what's that in plain English?).
Your words, [bold]Me thinks that a lack of understanding a program should preclude one from making statements which are just plain out-and-out untrue.[/bold]
I understand, use the program and in fact check to see what is new with the new versions. I note again that the official website agreed the DVD Decrypter is a backup. So, what's the problem, other than wanting to say I'm wrong when I only go along with the official website? You can play with the semantics of default ISO and default Video_TS all you wish. I made the statement with the production of a recorded movie on a DVD as the final outcome; irregardless of whether one used ISO or Video_TS. [bold]Which goes to show Pete, I speak from experience and what I read about the program on the website: DVD SHRINK VERSION HISTORY

Version 3.1.7 - 14 March 2004
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Added function to read and write ISO files, also backup option
to burn an ISO file with DVD Decrypter.[/bold]

To all - Happy burning, no matter what one wants to record with. Lots of good programs out there, free and retail. Everyone makes their own choice and as long as it is informed, no problem. Most software is a matter of preference and ease of use, and a matter of cost (beware, there is some junk out there). So, don't waste your money; but on the other hand, don't limit yourself by not making wise investments.

This one really got off the subject of AnyDVD and DVD43. I have AnyDVD to. And no, why would a person want to decrypt with a decrypter when the Shrink does the job itself. Sort of a redundant issue. Haven't run into anything yet that I would need to use AnyDVD for instead of the Shrink decryption function. Background decrypters are better suited for programs not having and needing a decrypter. There I finally got back on subject.

For searcher1, if you're still there. Heed your own words, it is a forum and not the domain of any one entity (except the owner of course and his moderators). I have an opinion and I can be wrong sometimes; wish others could say the same. I am open to others opinion and have the right to voice mine. I am able to back up what I say by written info by software companies, reputable researchers, and personal experience with the software. As I said, I can be wrong, I am open to people showing me where I went astray. Personal attacks are usually more demeaning to those who make them. So, I refuse to get into a personal argument. What I stated is my opinion and that of a vast majority of software users. I know there are those who disagree. So there is the forum to state their opinion; not to make personal attacks. I stand behind what I said until proven wrong.
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Pete. Can I butt in and ask a question here?
I use dvd shrink and dvdcrypter on my machine all the time and although only 2 weeks into this field enjoy it. Sorry getting offtopic. I put the same programs on my friends computer and DVDshrink will not decrypt the file and I have to use decrypter.
As she is more of a newbie than me this is a problem.
I found a site that said when you get this problem install DVD43. I did this and now DVD43 tells me it needs a patin couffin file. What is that and can you guide me where to go from here?

Thanks

 

Nephilim, what are you doing still up, have you been lurking? Haven't seen ya all nite and boom, there you are, or maybe it's daylight where you're at? Fatman, version 1.4 of dvd43 requires patin couffin, version 2.0 doesn't. Unfortunately methinks they will be charging for 2.0 after a 30 day free trial, while 1.4 will remain freeware.

 

Hey thre! fatman45
Sounds like u got an older Ver.of DVDShrink
Find the newer Ver.at this link.
http://www.dvdshrink.info/index.php
When u get their just click on Downloads.
Also the best how to for even the best of us.Sometimes u get so-much in ya head,ya just plain forget.If u don't refresh yourself every once in a while.This should fix all your friends Problems,
Here's another link to just the guide
http://www.simpleguides.tk/

 

DVD43 is now stand-alone, which means it now works without the VSO's Patin-Couffin driver. -- May i suggest you just upgrade your DVD43.

 

Thank you all for your help. I have downloaded the Patin-C driver and will install it this weekend.
what I cannot understand is why DVD Shrink on my machine decrypts the movie and shrinks and burns it whereas on Jo's machine it will not decrypt it. Why is it so?

 

I would say the problem is likely to be human error or possibly a software interference issue. With long experience I have yet to run into the latter. Anything that I have ever tried to use Shrink to decrypt, it was capable of doing. Hopefully the friend is using the latest version. The link was given, so you can check that out. Even the older versions decrypted well.

The only other question I would ask is what are the specs and OS on the system your friend is using? As I said before, Shrink is a good free program and has few inherent problems.
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Jeanc1, if you use the standalone version of dvd43, you will have to buy after 30 days( I ran my clock up a month and sure enuff, it expired with a message asking did I want to purchase), being familiar with it, dvd region free, and anydvd, I would buy the latter. v.1.4 with patin couffin will remain free(for the time being anyway). fatman, i think you mean it decrypts and shrinks, it can't burn, it must depend on nero or decrypter, etc. We don't want to give a newbie the wrong idea. good luck this weekend!

 

Big O may well be right, are you using the right terms for what is happening. AD has a glossary and there is also some good guides. If you can't find a good guide for the shrink here at AD, let me know and I'll PM the URL.

When it does come to the use of a retail background decrypter, Big O gave you an excellent choice. AnyDVD does a good job. I to use both Region Free and AnyDVD when the need arises and have an affinity for the latter.
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bigorange

[bold]Fatman, version 1.4 of DVD43 requires patin couffin, version 2.0 doesn't. Unfortunately methinks they will be charging for 2.0 after a 30 day[/bold]

Now look what you've done, I unistalled DVD43 and now I won't be able to see if the 30 days has run out. Nephilium installed it and I think he's also waiting the 30 days out.

People does anyone know if there's a time limit on DVD43 2.0?

[bold]Fatman, version 1.4 of DVD43 requires patin couffin, version 2.0 doesn't. Unfortunately methinks they will be charging for 2.0 after a 30 day[/bold]

 

Not I, said the lurking bear.

 

Sophocles they will charge, read my earlier post, I ran my clock up 30 days and got the message to purchase, I'm gonna leave it on til it runs out tho. BTW, soph and brobear, got a lite-on dual layer burner yesterday on ebay, 90 bucks new, I figured what the hell. Best Buys has the media-15.00-ouch! Might be just the thing for guys like wulfie who want to leave everythin in. I will let you know how it does after i install it.

 

bigorange

Ebay and a dual layer burner. Hmm!

No way in H, E, double hockey sticks am I going to follow on this one.

But let me know how it works out?

 

It was a brand new SOHW 832S lite-on, every review I've read on it has been extremely positive. I just spent 80.00 on copy2 remember, so what's 90.00 for a dual layer burner.
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Agreed, and yes I've been watching Dual Layer burners too. I'm just concerned that the first generation units aren't going to fly. I'm predicting all kinds of burner and media problem, but I could be wrong, and accoridng to my wife that's quite common. If enough people start having good experineces with them, then I'm aboard.

 

Hopefully the media will come down fairly reasonable, It doesn't make sense if it doesn't. You could actually pay more for your backup than the movie your backing up! at 15.00 a pop!

 

They'll have to get the cost of the media down as well for me to come aboard. With the current tech, I'm getting good results. I don't care if the titles and menus aren't the best. I'm still getting them with good quality on the main titles.