Nero recode 2 vs shrink

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  1. goman007

    goman007 Regular member

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    i cant find where i was reading the title at but my ? is how do you get Nero Recode 2 to read a movie fast like shrink?

    thanks
     
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    Nero Recode 2 for me hands down...!!! I don't know how fast is your processor and why your DVD Shrink is running faster than Nero Recode 2, but I've used Nero Recode 2 to encode nearly 99% of my backups and it's 2 times faster than DVD Shrink.

    Here is an example/comparison from Nero Recode 2 and DVD Shrink:

    ----------- for Nero Recode 2 ------------
    ** I can encode using a "Advanced Analysis"[this will encode in 2 passes and the quality is awesome] in roughly 27 - 30 minutes.
    ** I can encode using a regular encoding without any "Advanced Analysis" in about 7 - 10 minutes.

    ----------- for DVD Shrink ---------------
    ** I can encode using a "Advanced Analysis" in about 60 minutes.
    ** I can encode using a regular encoding without "Advanced Analysis" from 25 - 30 minutes.

     
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  3. goman007

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    that is what i mean, like when i use shrink my movie will encode real fast about 20-30 min, what ever size movie it is. my recode is encoding like i'm watching the movie. how do i speed it up on encoding in recode 2?
    thanks
     
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    Hummmm... sounds like you'r having DMA issues. Is your DMA on or off or in Pio Mode by chance?
     
  5. zhelpz

    zhelpz Guest

    I definitely have to agree with alkohol - Nero Recode2 is faster than shrink - its my understanding that Recode2 is made by the same person that made shrink - but shrink is still older and has not been updated for a while.

    Did you check your DMA settings like alkohol suggested?

    Do you know how to check for it?

    My Recode2 will usual encode in about 8 mins on on regular and about 15-16 in advanced mode. My shrink will usually encode avegrage about 15-20 minutes on regular (I have never done advanced analysis in shrink so I cannot comment on the latter).

    Here is how you check your DMA:

    [bold]START
    Control Panel
    Performance & Maintenance
    System
    Hardware tab
    (click on) Device Manager
    Click IDE ATA/ATAPI Controllers

    CLICK ON EACH PRIMARY and EACH SECONDARY IDE CHANNELS and follow these next instructions for each channel:
    Advanced Settings
    (check yo see if you are operating in DMA mode)
    If you see any that say PIO mode - CHANGE TO DMA

    Then press "OK"[/bold]
     
  6. goman007

    goman007 Regular member

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    Did you check your DMA settings

    where are theses settings at?
     
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    once again you guys have help me fix my problem.
    thanks to all of you.
    alkohol
    zhelpz
    arniebear, thanks for the step by step guide.
     
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    You are welcome, glad it worked out. Happy burning :)
     
  10. zhelpz

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    Glad you are back on the right track! :)
     
  11. goman007

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    its me again, like i told you it did open it very fast(the file or disk) but it still isnt recording it very fast. like i said its like i'm watching it just cant hear the sound. any other ideas on why it is going so slow?
    thanks for any info.
     
  12. alkohol

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    @goman007

    What burning engine/programs did you burned with? I'd still say it looks like DMA issues. Are you multi-tasking? Do you have any other programs open/running in the background while encoding and burning? Just out of curiousity, what are your computer specs and how many Memory Ram do you have? If it's Nero, then copy and paste the very last section inside "NeroHistory" and edit out your Nero serial. Now post it here, so we can see what's behind the issue here. To get your Nero log, go here: C:\Program Files\Ahead\Nero\NeroHistory for Nero 6 or C:\Program Files\Nero\Nero 7\Core\NeroHistory for Nero 7.
     
  13. goman007

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    here is the one i done last night:

    Windows XP 5.1
    IA32
    WinAspi: -
    ahead WinASPI: File 'C:\Program Files\Ahead\Nero\Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=2.0.1.59, size=160016 bytes, created 12/16/2003 7:18:06 PM
    Nero version: 6.3.0.2 (Nero Express)
    Recorder: <HP DVD Writer 300n> Version: 1.25 - HA 1 TA 0 - 6.3.0.2
    Adapter driver: <atapi> HA 1
    Drive buffer : 2048kB
    Bus Type : default (0) -> ATAPI, detected: ATAPI
    CD-ROM: <JLMS XJ-HD166S >Version: DPS6 - HA 1 TA 1 - 6.3.0.2
    Adapter driver: <atapi> HA 1

    === Scsi-Device-Map ===
    DiskPeripheral : ST3120025A atapi Port 0 ID 0 DMA: On
    CdRomPeripheral : HP DVD Writer 300n atapi Port 1 ID 0 DMA: On
    CdRomPeripheral : JLMS XJ-HD166S atapi Port 1 ID 1 DMA: On

    === CDRom-Device-Map ===
    HP DVD Writer 300n E: CDRom0
    JLMS XJ-HD166S F: CDRom1
    =======================

    AutoRun : 1
    Excluded drive IDs:
    CmdQueuing : 1
    CmdNotification: 2
    WriteBufferSize: 74448896 (0) Byte
    ShowDrvBufStat : 0
    EraseSpeed : 0
    BUFE : 0
    Physical memory : 511MB (523756kB)
    Free physical memory: 196MB (201472kB)
    Memory in use : 61 %
    Uncached PFiles: 0x0
    Use Static Write Speed Table: 0
    Use Inquiry : 1
    Global Bus Type: default (0)
    Check supported media : Disabled (0)

    16.11.2005
    UDF/ISO compilation
    9:57:25 PM #1 Phase 112 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1800
    DVD-Video files reallocation started

    9:57:26 PM #2 Phase 114 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1800
    DVD-Video files reallocation completed (no file modified)

    9:57:26 PM #3 Text 0 File Isodoc.cpp, Line 6029
    Iso document burn settings
    ------------------------------------------
    Determine maximum speed : FALSE
    Simulate : FALSE
    Write : TRUE
    Finalize CD : TRUE
    Multisession : FALSE
    Burning mode : DAO
    Mode : 1
    ISO Level : 1 (Max. of 11 = 8 + 3 char)
    Character set : ISO 9660
    Joliet : TRUE
    Allow pathdepth more than 8 directories : FALSE
    Allow more than 255 characters in path : FALSE
    Write ISO9660 ;1 file extensions : TRUE

    9:57:26 PM #4 Phase 111 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1800
    DVD-Video files sorted

    9:57:26 PM #5 Text 0 File Reader.cpp, Line 118
    Reader running

    9:57:26 PM #6 Text 0 File Writer.cpp, Line 124
    Writer HP DVD Writer 300n running

    9:57:26 PM #7 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3882
    First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)

    9:57:26 PM #8 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3882
    First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)

    9:57:26 PM #9 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3101
    Turn on Disc-at-once, using DVD media

    9:57:26 PM #10 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 240
    Last possible write address on media: 2295103 (510:01.28, 4482MB)
    Last address to be written: 2286223 (508:02.73, 4465MB)

    9:57:26 PM #11 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 245
    Write in overburning mode: FALSE

    9:57:26 PM #12 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 2085
    Recorder: HP DVD Writer 300n, Media type: DVD+R

    9:57:26 PM #13 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 406
    >>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<<
    =========================================

    9:57:26 PM #14 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 779
    Setup items (after recorder preparation)
    0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 (CTransferItem)
    2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
    original disc pos #0 + 2286224 (2286224) = #2286224/508:2.74
    relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/required, no patch infos
    -> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 2286224 blocks [HP DVD Writer 300n ]
    --------------------------------------------------------------

    9:57:26 PM #15 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 948
    Prepare recorder [HP DVD Writer 300n ] for write in CUE-sheet-DAO
    DAO infos:
    ==========
    MCN: ""
    TOCType: 0x00; Session Closed, disc fixated
    Tracks 1 to 1:
    1: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos 0 0 4682186752, ISRC ""
    DAO layout:
    ===========
    __Start_|____Track_|_Idx_|_RecDep_|_CtrlAdr_
    0 | lead-in | 0 | 0x00 | 0x41
    0 | 1 | 0 | 0x00 | 0x41
    0 | 1 | 1 | 0x00 | 0x41
    2286224 | lead-out | 1 | 0x00 | 0x41

    9:57:26 PM #16 Phase 24 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1800
    Caching of files started

    9:57:26 PM #17 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 4073
    Cache writing successful.

    9:57:26 PM #18 Phase 25 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1800
    Caching of files completed

    9:57:26 PM #19 Phase 36 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1800
    Burn process started at 2.4x (3,312 KB/s)

    9:57:26 PM #20 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2264
    Verifying disc position of item 0 (relocatable, disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0

    9:57:26 PM #21 SCSI -1066 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1171
    SCSI Exec, HA 1, TA 0, LUN 0, buffer 0x03515000
    Status: 0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR)
    HA-Status 0x00 (0x00, OK)
    TA-Status 0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND)
    Sense Key: 0x05 (KEY_ILLEGAL_REQUEST)
    Sense Code: 0x24
    Sense Qual: 0x00
    CDB Data: 0xAD 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x08 0x04 0x00 0x00
    Sense Data: 0x70 0x00 0x05 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0A
    0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x24 0x00

    9:57:26 PM #22 Text 0 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1658
    Set remaining time: 23:46,179 (1426179ms) -> OK

    9:57:26 PM #23 Text 0 File DVDPlusRW.cpp, Line 564
    Start write address at LBA 0
    DVD high compatibility mode: Yes

    10:20:36 PM #24 Text 0 File WriterStatus.cpp, Line 115
    <HP DVD Writer 300n > start writing Lead-Out at LBA 2286224 (22E290h), lenght 0 blocks

    10:20:36 PM #25 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 229
    all writers idle, stopping conversion

    10:20:50 PM #26 Text 0 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1658
    Set remaining time: 0:00,000 (0ms) -> OK

    10:20:50 PM #27 Text 0 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1658
    Set remaining time: 0:00,000 (0ms) -> OK

    10:20:50 PM #28 Phase 37 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1800
    Burn process completed successfully at 2.4x (3,312 KB/s)


    Existing drivers:
    File 'Drivers\PXHELP20.SYS': Ver=2.02.70a, size=20176 bytes, created 3/3/2004 1:02:00 AM (Prassi/Veritas driver for win 2K)
    File 'Drivers\atapi.sys': Ver=5.1.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158), size=95360 bytes, created 8/3/2004 11:59:42 PM (Adapter driver for rec)

    Registry Keys:
    HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\WinLogon\AllocateCDROMs : 0 (Security Option)

    ====== *** Nero-Burning Rom, History File *** ======


    it said according to this that it ende at 10:20 but iwent to bed at 11:00 and it was still going.
    also my dvd burner use to burn @ 4x also now it only maxs out at 2x, do you have any idea why?
    thanks again.
     
  14. thugs121

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    The HP Writer seems like it doesn't like those dics or has a problem reading them...


    You could try updating your firmware:

    http://forum.rpc1.org/dl_firmware.php?download_id=1598

    There are 6 updates, so be careful on which one to flash your drive with...

    Try freeing up some memory... End some processes that do not need to be run. Make sure you are not disabling system processes as that could crash your comp...

    Before you do the encoding of the movie, lower the target area to around [bold]4300[/bold] or [bold]4360[/bold]. This would ensure that you do not burn the movie too close to the end of the disc.

    You could try updating Nero Express by downloading the first (and second package, if neccessary) package. Nero Express 6 is currently at [bold]6.6.0.18[/bold]

    http://ww2.nero.com/nero6/enu/nero-up.php
     
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    I just bought Nero 7 and tried a test using Shrink and Recode. My specs are as follows:

    Shuttle ss56v2.0
    P4 3.0 GHZ (NOT prescott processor)
    1GB RAM
    300 GB USB2.0 external drive
    120GB GB INternal Drive
    Sony DRU 800a internal DVD drive
    Windows XP SP2
    DVD43 3.6.2.111

    I "backed up" a copy of Kung Fu Hustle using both programs and my results were:

    Shrink 58 minutes and 45 seconds
    Recode 29 minutes and 30 seconds

    Recode is the winner hands down. However, the only problem I noticed with recode is that it has a different byte size for single layer discs. I tried to backup Pulp Fiction directors cut and shrink managed to get it down to size where recode couldn't. And if I tried to change the size in recode to match shrink, it asked me for a dual-layer disc after the initial read. SO it looks like shrink is the winner as far as compression and making a DVD9 fit on a DVD5 bit recode is the clear speed winner.
     
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    Did you change your target size in Recode, you can customize it to what you want. I have never had a problem fitting a disk.
     
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    @yatman

    Go here http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/256436 -- I wrote that guide for Newbies to backup any DVD (DVD9) movies to into a single DVD+R, DVD+RW, DVD-RW disc using DVD Decrypter, Nero Recode 2 and Nero Burning Rom.

    In addition, you'll also see "book typing" in there as well. It's pretty useful, so follow the guide slowly and you'll have a great quality backup in no time. Enjoyed it and happy burning...!!
     
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    @goman007

    What kind of media are you using? You need to update your burner's firmware so it'll be able to read/recognize the media and its manufacture id.

    Here is an example from mine:

    Recorder: SONY DVD RW DRU-710A, Media type: DVD+R
    Disc Manufacturer ID: YUDEN000, Media Type ID: T02


    Even if you're getting a successfully burned from the log you provided, it looks like your burner doesn't really like those blank media you're using. High quality media are Taiyo Yuden, Verbatim and Maxell (made in japan) <-- these are my top 3 choices - you can't go wrong with them.

     
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    sorry it took me a min to get back with you, but i only use "Verbatim", i think it is the best also dvd+r. quote:You need to update your burner's firmware so it'll be able to read/recognize the media and its manufacture id.
    how do you do that? they said it was about six of them dont want to update the wrong one. also someone said quote:Before you do the encoding of the movie, lower the target area to around 4300 or 4360. This would ensure that you do not burn the movie too close to the end of the disc.
    do i need to do this? so far my movies are fine.?
    also it was told to me that i needed to update to Nero Express 6 is currently at 6.6.0.18. what will it do different and it doesnt have to read your id# in order to update does it?
    thanks in advance.
     
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    The newest firmware should be fine, but should take precautions. Sometimes hacked firmwares cause more harm than good. You could use System Restore to create a restore time prior to flashing/upgrading the firmware.

    When I suggested you lower the target area, the main purpose is to instruct Nero not to burn too close to the edge of the disc. Many people forget to set the target which could affect the viewing of the movie. If it's working our for ya, then I wouldn't worr too much. However, if you're dealing with a long movie, then it would be wise to set the target area.

    By upgrading to the last version of Nero 6, this could be beneficial because it may have fixed some buggy errors that some users experienced. As long as your Nero was purchased or came with your burner, then you can just install it over the previous version without any fuss. Also, if your serial number isn't legit, installing the newer version may prevent you from using Nero.
     

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