I try saving for my old age but the govt takes all my money. I can see some merit in have a good PSU however your laser is not going to get any hotter, and I cannot believe that some drives put hotter laser in them then others, it is too easy an excuse.
arnie if you are commenting on "K's" comments ...... then it's on def ears cause that person can't explain themselves here. I am contacting K again and try to extract more info about the tests that are run for the DigitalFAQ's media rating list.... which you can find here: http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm what ever this person can say to us must come from much more testing than what we can do! We can only judge from personal experience.... but this person must be a professional with years of experience under his/her belt! wouldn't you think?
@IHoe I am just making a general comment, because there was another thread, which I can't remember at this time, that the poster stated you needed "hot lasers" to solve your problems, and that a large PSU would make this happen. http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/216438
I just wrote an email to "K" from DigitalFAQ and invited that person to address us and explain the process that he/she uses to get the results that they get for their media guide! I'm hoping for a response and even a direct response to this thread! maybe we can be enlightened with their knowledge!
i must admit i hadn't visited that page for ages, i used to look over it a fair bit, glad to see it's been updated some.
hahaha..."hot lasers"...whatever...put a crap disc into a GOOD BURNER/ dvd player w/ a "hot laser" and "bam" it works fine? YEAH RIGHT...he can argue ALL he wants about having extensive testing done or whatnot, that REALLY doesn't mean jack $hit to anyone else that is experiencing problems on a personal/consumer level. it's like reading an issue of consumer reports magazine, YES, they have the resources to do extensive testing on various products and come to a conclusion as to what they perceive to be "good" or "bad", "recommended" or not "recommended"...if one wants to believe everything they read in a magazine, online, the newspaper, or newscast, so be it; but, his "solution" of getting a better quality burner but to continue to use crappy media and everything will be ok? HAHAHAHA...that's just pure BS~ i don't care how "professional" his opinion may be, it's like the comment about the power supply being the final SOLUTION to every burning problem out there...simply ridiculous~
Kivory....... I don't think "K" mentioned anything about 'HOT LASERS'...... "K" did mention to use a better dvd...... but nothing about [bold]HOT LASERS[/bold] you must be mistaken with what Arnie said about anyother thread that he couldn't find at the momemnt! and "K" didn't mention anything about what SMSmith said in the thread that was linked to POWER SUPPLY bull crap! I just think that there should be someone out there making tests and telling what they found out about it! Go with experience is fine but for others that don't have the time or the means of testing I'm glad that there is someone out there doing for me! Cause I would like to know ...........but the test of time is the real judge! my old Memorex crap that I started out with 3 yrs ago (RICOHJRN)are still going strong but the CMC crap is dead! If I read the DigitalFAQ media guide back then I would still have my old movies on better disks than the CMC crap today!!!!! That's all I'm saying! And I would really like to know how they are coming up with their findings!
@ihoe, im not putting down your "K" guy, i KNOW he didn't say anything about hot lasers or whatnot, he DID imply something along the lines of using a good laser or a burner w/ a good laser to READ crap discs...and i quote... i just find THAT comment to be untrue...bad media will always remain bad media, don't matter how terrific the "good laser" is, it WILL NOT always read them, you found out YOURSELF w/ the CMC MAG crap that you said are "dead"...how are you going to dispute YOURSELF on that finding? like i said, evaluate the facts, don't believe EVERYTHING you read, i have respect for this "K" guy but SOME of his comments/suggestions to "fix" people's problems i just don't agree with. from what i read and interpret from the emails you copied and pasted on here, he's basically saying that if a "good laser" is present, pretty much EVERY KIND of media, good or bad, will be read...but, he doesn't touch up on the fact that even if your drive CAN read them...will there be pixillation, freezing, skipping or any other problems when viewing the video? bad media is THE cause of that, no matter how you slice and dice it~ this is also assuming you burn at a slower speed AND have the know-how to burn properly using the software you use for backups..there are SOO many factors that go into it, but, to say a "good laser"/ good hardware will solve your issues because it's NOT due to bad media, i will have to disagree there.
while it's on my mind i personally correlate skipping to show up as CRC errors on a disc, that's what my experience has shown. someone did debate it with me on here once, but that's what i've found each time. i'm off to bed i'm starting to ramble
not saying that everything said is true and I wish this person will respond to this thread.... I did send it to him/her! who knows......but I can only go by what my burner and my players can do with what disks I can get! I learned so much here but I am still open to others that know more than I do so I can learn more! NO ONE PERSON CAN TELL ME THAT THEY KNOW IT ALL AND THEIR WORD IS THE GOSPEL!!! But allow me to form my own opinions, with the knowledge that is put out there by all! That's all I want to do...... I am not that closed minded that I can't ask a question and get a response from someone that knows more than I do! I only have experience with what I have...... can you imagine having many machines and software at your disposal and making tests on all sorts of disks that are out there???? Inquiring minds want to know!
My old NEC 1300a is a USB it has its own power supply and it definitly has a "hot laser" considering I really got a blow on the disk when it comes out. Now if that was the only criteria to get a good burn then any disk I get should work, but not all disks do. Firmware plays a part, software, hardware, OS system and probably other things I forget. If everthing on the comp is running correctly you will get a good burn, but only on good disks. When you go to the carlot and see the sticker that reads how much mpg you will get with a vehicle, that is calculated at ideal conditions. Something that you can not always achieve. I have a feeling the tests that are run on media is the same.
arnie you could be right ....... I asked ....... hopefully we get a reply from "K" on how they get their results! I invited this person to respond to this thread! I hope we don't scare this person away! LOL
It is an open forum, with, I hope, open minds. I am sure we want to read what this person has to say. But everything is always open to debate, that is how a great deal of knowledge is gained, by getting all the perspectives.
good analogy arniebear, nicely put. @ihoe, i commend your thirst for knowledge and your gathering of info from VARIOUS sources so you can formulate your OWN decisions on media, burners, etc. but, my only point that i was trying to make is that a good laser from a good burner/standalone does NOT equal 100% playback on poor media~ a lot of "K"'s information makes sense and i agree with him/her, BUT, his comment about is NOT true. that is the only point i was trying to point out and extract from the emails he/she sent you.
and I agree with you!!!! totally...... thats why I want to talk to this person and pick his/her brain! I'm just interested on how they get their results! hopefully they will respond!
I also don't think that they will respond right away...... in a day or two hopefully but I'm not holding my breath!
here is "K's" response: Thanks for the invite, but I just really don't have time for that. Forums tend to be full of people that only wish to argue with others, have their egos stroked. I am not part of the media industry, nor does anybody from the media industry have any input. The only people that the ability to affect ratings are ones in the test group, all of them independents and not in any way related to any media manufacturer. In fact, two manufacturers quit sending samples because they were given some poor ratings on their shoddy discs. Quite frankly, f--k them. The rankings are made from the % of coasters. This is all explained on the site, simple mean average statistics math. Testing discs is easy. Use them all. "Scans" like probe, plextools, DVDinfoPro. "Surface scans" like Nero CD-DVD Speed and DVDInfoPro. "Speed/read tests" like Nero CD-DVD Speed. And then simple things like "does it even burn, or does the burner puke it back out". As well as the common sense "does it play in a DVD player without having issues". You start to write down results, tally them up, write out percentages, and there you go. -K ok...... so that was helpfull...........Kivory, you're right again! I guess I was hoping that they were doing something more than what we at AD already do with our own disks and our burners. We have the same things that they do and I can do the same things when I buy my disks...... only I don't go out and buy every disk there is ....... I know that TYs, Sony, Verbatim, Maxell work great so why go anywhere else and take chances with other disks that are inferiror!? I'll just take note on the media guide and use the info to what I want to use it for..... to affirm the quaility of the disks that I use! So much for learning something new!
