Newbies pls see this - cheapy media is BAD.....

Discussion in 'DVD±R media' started by creaky, May 21, 2005.

  1. Rotary

    Rotary Senior member

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    i hear you dude i hear you, yup done exact same thing (trying to save a couple dollar)
     
  2. matt72

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    @DogBomb
    I'm just starting out with decrypter & dvd shrink so I think I should be able to back them up on verbatim. Sadly I am one of the folks who bought dvdxcopy platinum and was a happy camper using it until new css protection and lack of updates made copying uneasy. I then proceeded to look elsewhere for a dvd backup software and a search brought me to afterdawn. Hey I saw the princo was cheap in price so bought and only had 1 coaster so far. Now that I got dvd identifier and a few others dvd check programs i will run a few and test my princos. Proudly I ordered some TY02 and waiting till they get here. Owning close to 800 dvds (all store bought) and friends wanting to borrow movies backups are cheaper to replace if necessary.

    @creaky

    I know the feeling of burn complete but not worth the time using dvdcloner2. Unfortunately I paid for that before I found out only 40 mins are copied. Moviejack was okay with the girls gone wild series (only for ummm entertainment purposes of course) but had trouble with newer dvds. Now decrypter and shrink has me feeling like I need to work on a personal guide. Also I purchased slysoft anydvd and clonedvd based on reviews in this forum. Now the question I pose is does different software act differently based on pc specs? Mine are as follows:
    Averatec 5400, 30g hd, 785mb ram, slimtype dvd +- internal burner, amd 2800, winxp home. This is my travel pc so anytime I come across a dvd while out n about I pop it in and copy it. Oh and its a laptop.


    Finally any suggestions on a good desktop pc...I'm looking to invest in a top of the line brand with mid thru highend specs.
     
  3. arniebear

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    @matt72

    You, me, and a whole lot of other people :)
     
  4. creaky

    creaky Moderator Staff Member

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    @matt72 -

    I still use DVD Shrink primarily, and DVD Decrypter for the odd film/disc that won't play ball. I just haven't found the need to buy anydvd (yet) as DVD Decrypter (so far) can do them all (there are many others who recommend all sorts of stuff, i just like to keep it simple as best as i can as i'm a simple guy. You got a nice machine there (check my sig too). I don't follow PC trends half as much as i used to, but what i will say is the PC i have (not overly different from yours really) is lightning fast for any tasks i need to do.

    I bought this setup with a view to wringing as much life out of it as possible (hang on i do that with all my PC's!). It cost me about £240 plus £40 for another 512MB of RAM. 'Fraid i don't have the money i used to, so don't follow PC technology as much as i'd like.
    Plus i live afloat so haven't got room for all the PC kit i used to have so had to tone it down! - http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y178/creaky/P1010112.jpg
    I haven't lurked in afterdawn's PC forums as yet as i spend a lot of time in the DVD section as it is. I'd never get anything else done!

    Sorry that's not much help
     
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  5. creaky

    creaky Moderator Staff Member

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    @ creaky

    I burned a dvd last night using pengo dvd-r ran it through KProbe ad dvdinfo and found no problems with errors. Still not confident in them but will use them until my ty2 get delivered. Maybe I need to start hanging in the dvd forums so I can get smart like you guys on backing up movies and be a big help especially on media related issues (i.e. burn logs). Nice specs on your pc as well. Money is not plentiful but I'm trying to buy a top of the line desktop that will last a few years.
     
  7. creaky

    creaky Moderator Staff Member

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    @matt72, i had the same problem when i wanted to buy a new pc. My machines have to last for years at a time or more likely 'til they break, so i was real pleased that i could get this one for about £240; it's the cheapest barebone system i could find by a helluva lot, plus i needed something tiny as i haven't got space for loadsa kit; then recently i got 512MB ram for £40 which is a bargain.
     
  8. kivory666

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    @matt72 stay close to creaky, he knows what he's doing in terms of media for the most part :p

    and if media is the question at hand, if he can't answer it, i might be able to help you out~ :) juss ask creaky to give me a holla and i'll set it straight~

    good day to you all~ thanks for all the kind words many of you have left me regarding my advice you've taken on dvd media, i sincerely appreciate everyone that was kind enough to let me know i helped them out someway or another~ :)
     
  9. matt72

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    I'm starting to find myself getting more into backing up and after searching this forum now I'm keeping an eye on the type of media I'm using. I also have nero but not a fan since it seems the updates are not that great and wasted a few discs about an hour ago. Anyway I read every post regarding blank media and dvd burning/ authoring trying to improve my skills. One thing I did notice is even though some dvd-r are 16x I find burning at 2x is the best method for a novice/ beginner such as myself. Right now I'm even considering adding dvd-r blank media into my budget.

    @ kivorry
    I'm already trying to get as much possible out of creaky. If it wasn't for lack of dedicated time I would already being trying to re-author movies with added home made special effects.
     
  10. creaky

    creaky Moderator Staff Member

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    too high a burn speed is s'posed to pose possible problems for standalaone players as they don't read at such high speeds. It's one of those techie aspects that i don't fully understand as a 16x disc can be burnt at 4x, hence the standalone player 'should' (in my humbe opinion) see the disc as nothing other than a disc that is 4x (if at all). Someone happily chip in & explain that better (or correctly) for me... :)

    - LMAO!, shhh! or my workplace will want to do that too

    - no fear of that hehe
     
  11. arniebear

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    IMHO newer standalones do not seem to have any difficulty reading the newer media, however older standalones experience problems with the 16x disks. We are constantly updating firmware in our burners/roms to accomodate for newer disks but we do not do that with standalones. Toshiba is a big offender in that their players will not recognize all media and I read somewhere that they are finally being forced to make more compatible players. I have owned to Toshiba players, one I gave to the grandaughter, they were very up to date when I bought them yet they only play -R and they only want certain media burned with certain programs. My toshiba does not have a problem with good media but give it cheap and no dice, give it a cheap disk burned with Xcopy and it spits, give it a TY burned with CopytoDVD and it is beautiful. I know I have even had problems with my older CD players and newer disks and burn speeds. My one stereo will not play anything that is burned faster than 24x but my other stereos do not have a problem. I believe newer players are geared towards burned disks, because it has become the norm, mfr know what the public is doing and are making their product accommodating. OK I babbled on, sorry :-o
     
  12. creaky

    creaky Moderator Staff Member

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    Meet the Parents - on another atrocious Bulkpaq disc - took a few attempts to copy this one ready for transfer onto a nice Verbatim disc -
    [​IMG]

    and Meet the Parents on it's new Verb (did this at 4x); not too shabby..Again compare number ranges in the graphs -
    [​IMG]
     
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  13. creaky

    creaky Moderator Staff Member

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    First two TY discs i've used :

    Genuine TY (TYG02) 8x burnt at 8x (GG000107 code on inner hub) -
    [​IMG] -Pretty damn impressive i'd say.

    Genuine TY (TYG02) 8x burnt at 4x (GG000107 code on inner hub) -
    [​IMG]
     
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    So how does this compare with your Verbs, have you become a TY convert? :~)
     
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    creaky Moderator Staff Member

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    hmmmmmm.... i'll still have to keep feet in both camps. I think purely because the Verb's have a nicer top surface as they're the matte silver finish so are less prone to little fingers (the kids); so the Verb's would be better for them to handle i think. But the PIF scan looks better than the Verb scns. Just doing a 4x burn on a TY, then i'll post that too, then burn a load of TY at 8x, can't have them going mouldy :)
     
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    Yeah, I like my movie reel Verbs, it has a little more pizzazz, the shiny side of TY does smudge easy.
     
  17. kivory666

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    you likey creaky??? HAHAHAHA...nice scans...very close to my TY scans too~ notice when burnt @8x it's VERY smooth, with quality media of the TYS...it is NOT always necessary to burn at slower speed...that's why i tell everyone who has the 8x TYs to just burn @8x, they will hold up to the faster speeds~ :)
     
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    i tried an Imation disc last night, just to PIF scan it, and it turned out this was a RitekG03 1x. The lowest Nero could burn it was 2x, so left it for half hour. The PIF scan was actually better than any of the previous scans, the shame of it :)
    Will have to post it tonight; well still won't be using anything like Imation again as you just can't guarantee the media codes you'll get, nuff said!
     
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    creaky Moderator Staff Member

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    just remembered to post the Imation *cough cough* usually really crap *cough* media, scan -
    this is apparently 1x media, which Nero would only let me burn at 2x. KProbe2 scan done at 2x also -

    [​IMG]
     
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    creaky Moderator Staff Member

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    My faith in crappy media being crap has been restored. Am running a CRC check on the Imation disc, and yup, it's got 24 errors so far, and the crc scan is only 72% done.

    'Don't go out and start buying Imation due to the PIF scan alone, please viewers'
     

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