Not all Memorex suck / Questions for you / etc

Another year or so that scan may show a quality score of 90, then going down every year, while taiyo yudens and verbatims will show a good quality score for a very long time, estimate life is about 50 plus years for TY, and VERBS.

 

I can't fully appreciate your sarcasm as I'm a little too lazy to read all five pages of this thread. I will agree that Memosux blows, the best it'll code out too is Ricoh/Ritek, which is serviceable for movies, but not for the PS2. TY and Verb's may cost more but they're worth it (especially in the case of the PS2). Alkohol said on the first page of this thread that 95% of Memorex media is crap. I'll agree with that whole heartedly. I only wish my knowledge of media was on par with that of the PS2, so I could've blown this thread wide open. Though we had some heavy hitters in here and still couldn't dissuade the doubters. This thread has grown stagnant. Good points have been made, rebutted by hypothetical situations and psuedo intellectual jibberish. The empirical evidence that massive amounts of Memorex DVD media blows is littered on the AD Servers in almost every section that involves DVD Media. One need only to browse the junk piles of threads about "I can't get my backup movie/game to work." What's the number one cause of these threads? Cheap media far and away is the number one cause. What's the number one resolution to these threads? Switching to good media is by far the most common resolution. I don't need to argue this point. I know what the facts are from being on this board daily for 6 months. The empirical evidence also overwhelmingly supports the fact good media resolves 80% of DVD burning related issues. So there are 1,000's of threads, several Senior Members, AD Addicts on one side, and a couple high school debate champions on the other. So let the people reading this decide who's right.

 

@Tokijin
AfterDawn Addict:

A well made closing arguement, "Silly schoolboys" [Let's let em off the hook?]

I think[?] most folks know "Oscar's" definition of 'Sarcasmun'..

One with a more jaded mind than mine; would think your're their team leader...


PS
58 riteks ter go....

 

I had the same thing with Bulkpaq creaky..skipping throught the whole movie, then i didnt even get to see the ending because the disc froze!! Made a copy with Sony MIJ-(taiyo yuden) and it played perfectly.

 

People, we are wasting our time here. This is an obvious bait tactic designed to get everyone fired up. I fell for it because JoeRyan seems intelligent. I was just trying to pursuade it that CMCs are junk for whatever destructive or non-destructive test reason. This person just wants an argument. I did a search of your name, heres what i found. Looks like you tried to "help" someone once here in this thread by telling them its the firmware again, not the discs. http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/48307
I bet that poor guy is still trying to get crap memorex media to burn and work for him. ARE you HELPING?? That guy is still waiting. You dont seem to be interested in helping him anymore, now that he listened to you and still has problems. See what i mean? Back in 2003 you tried to help someone with suggestions. Once..
The rest of your posts have been here. Must have been too busy in your lab batch testing to do any real help here?
Its all well and good to say CMC is a quality plant producing quality discs. Now how do ppl get these things to burn properly and keep for more than 6 months as Mort81, myself and many others have stated??? Unless you have the answer to that, and this answer will work for everyone, you sir or madam are just arguing, and not helping. Im not going to respond to this anymore even though i tried to not respond this time. Have fun telling ppl CMC is quality stuff. In the mean time, HELP someone with your newfound status as miracle worker by getting these discs to work and keep for many years.
Im thru, no more false information spread will bait me. You go ahead and say we dont even need electricity to burn discs, just use a magnafying glass and have real steady hands..

 

I've been following this thread and wonder if anyone can tell me about this disc. Its called Playo and its made by advance media limited. disc reads Mfg. {AML]--- Media Type [002] Disc identifier: [DVD+R - :AML-002-000]

 

Mouse
Your Playo disc seems to be another alias for Mr. DVD that I came across:
[bold]Nero CD-DVD Speed: Disc Info
Basic Information
Disc Type: : DVD+R
Book Type : DVD+R
Manufacturer: : unknown
MID : AML 002 (000)[/bold]

AML seems to be a very close cousin of CMC Mag.

 

Needless to say I don't know how long they will be readable but they burn just fine in my lite-on SHW-1635S-YSOR and have excellent picture on my APEX stand alone player. Besides, at 4.99/50 at staples this week my son and I bought 20 50pks. Guess we will see what happens down the road.

 

The customer MaxBurn referred to had an LG drive that did not have firmware that recognized the Prodisc MID code for DVD-RW. If the write strategy is incorrect, information written to the ADIP can be so illegible that no other drive, even one that does recognize the code, may be able to erase the disc enough to reuse it. He may have updated his firmware since then or bought other discs.

A second problem may be corruption due to conflicts in packet-writing software. This can happen when a disc formatted on one computer with Ahead InCD is placed into a second computer with Roxio DirectCD, or vice versa. Some computers with autostart enabled can have the installed packet-writing software begin to update the disc before realizing that the disc is formatted with different software. In such a case, the file structure on the original is damaged enough that the disc is now illegible. Since the disc is manufactured with phase change material, a factory initializer than restore it; but that is not worth the effort.

If every disc in a spindle immediately fails on a drive, chances are great that the disc is incompatible. There is always a chance that the media are of terrible quality; but that is a lesser likelihood and, according to Occam's Razor, not a better explanation.

Discs that initially work but fail over time may have unstable dye. Check I14H and compare the results to R14H. If both have decreased below the DVD Forum spec and the I3/I14 ratio has also deteriorated, then the fault lies in the dye. If radial and tangential tilt measurements are off (tangential push pull signals are evidence of that), then the cause is more likely to be related to unstable bonding adhesive rather than the dye. If you cannot check these criteria, send the unplayable discs back to the manufacturer and ask for answers why they no longer play.

I hope this helps.

 

@mousejean,
Please keep us informed as to the status of how these disks hold up over time. Kinda curious myself asto the archival cpabilities of various disks. I've had real problems with CMC and Matrix media deteriorating over time. At first they played perfectly on all of my standalone players, but after 6 months to a year don't play well or even at all.
Appreciate the feedback.

 

how do you distinguish between fake and real taiyo yuden if the media code is the same?

 

Ok joeryan in an effort to smooth things over as you seem to have gotten more than one member riled,

We seem to have been agreeing all along. I called it dye rot, but yes, it could be the bonding adhesives also. The point is, if a company fu*ks up either the dye or the bonding, the resulting problem looks like dye rot to the un-informed. Does it really matter if it was the dye rotting or the adhesive? as its TOO LATE for that data/movie now. Data dieing over time, dye rot is one way to describe the results for the disc. Bonding lifting, warping of disc, cross material contamination, disc thickness, material used, manufacturing misprocess, all these things come in to play. And on the average, cheaper manufactures can sell this stuff cheaper because they are using cheaper labor, materials, machinery, etc.. Put a bunch of rotten apples in a barrel, and i wouldnt want to drink that stuff. Neither do our drives for whatever way of describing it.
You are knowledgeable about this, so i ask that you put that knowledge to work here by helping ppl. Your last reply was excellent. Non-inflamitory, and informative. We can have a reasonable argument, but this thread almost got into a flame war. and for what? Because you did not want to change your belief that CMC is not a quality plant. Maybe it is, but something is going on when just about everyone has a problem with this media. Yes, it could be that no drive has the firmware correct. But really, the engineers at pioneer, benq, LG, liteon, etc.. None of them could figure it out, on this media??? So, it doesnt matter what the real reason for cheap media not working properly, unless you have the answer to getting it to work for everybody. If so, i suggest you quietly qit your current job, and get hired on at memorex media division.. You could be very rich if you wanted to be.

Check out creaky's reply

Hes poured thru more logs than you would care to look at in a lifetime. This guy knows what he is talking about from seeing REAL life examples. So really, by holding that carrot out to the cheap media users that there is some way to use this stuff, is doing ppl a dis-service if you are trying to help. Again, unless you have the answer, i will continue to recommend Verbatim, and Taiyo Yuden discs, and tell ppl to run from CMC like the plague. I think i will help more ppl with that advice than by saying "use CMC, its great, just have up2date firmware and a compatible drive".. How many logs do you think got fixed with an answer like that??

Im trying to hold out the peace pipe here JoeRyan. You seem like you are intelligent, so just learn how to inform without inflaming and you will be fine here. We could all learn something, and i will even listen to you, if what you are saying will help in some way. Im not mad or upset, i just didnt want to get dragged down in some pointless argument. Its been done to me, and others here too many times, and its never a lot of fun. Takes something out of you, defending practices that have helped thousands, against newcomers who say we are wrong, they are right. By saying CMC is a quality plant, you say cheap media is not the problem, firmware, or bonding, or something else is.. Well, by eliminating CMC i also eliminated my data life problem. Yes, verb or tys can have a bad disc or two once in a while. Kinda like finding a 4 leaf clover though. Rare, very rare.

I still stand by my statement CMC is crap media. It screwed me over with the loss of hundreds of backups.. But thats just my opinion. You dont have to do anything i say. Im crazy, and i like it as an exclusive club. Get too many crazys out there and then normal becomes crazy.. See, only a nut could think of something like that..

 

@blancpino
If you read the following thread, docTY explains everything you need to know about TY media, including how to spot the fake ones.

http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/296925
@Max,
Can I join your crazy club? I'll wash your car, I' ll walk your dog...:~)!

 

@blancopino
That doc ty thread is a good one. I also asked that question in the only tread i started here.
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/234049
I was wondering why they didnt fake the media codes also along with the MID code.
That Doc, hes great.
@cyprusrom,
You look at nero burn logs, so you already qualify as crazy.

 

why thank you kind sir, i'm not gonna add any more to this thread as i've been following it and can see it's been "handled"

docTY

 

Hi Doc,
JoeRyan seems to have moved over to this thread now, and honestly i thought him and asji were the same person once and replied to the wrong one as i had both threads up.
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/32/262544
same type of arguing tactic used by both clothed as science-speak.
Disagreeing is ok, if real life situations back you up in your argument. And as i was trying to say, if following their advice results in more harm than good, stop giving that advice out, as we regular AD members here to help, will be stuck with the mess they leave behind.
I dont know why i keep trying. Maybe they will listen to you doc. Your 666 could scare them, i mean after all, who knows better about burning than the devil?? LOL.. I had to edit this to put in that last joke there..

 

Yes sad but true. I don't extend the olive branch to him because I couldn't win a flame war. I do so because I simply don't need the stress. I don't think he's a bad guy, he's just very set in his ways. As you said before MaxBurn, "I log into AD to help people, not to argue." I couldn't agree more. JoeRyan will win over his fair share of people with his excellent grammar, large vocabulary and trendy (yet hollow) logic, but that's their problem. I'm not going to argue with him or anyone else. If people choose to use CMC Mag, so be it. If they ignore all the stickies, advice from experts, and media reviews, so be it. There is no point in attempting to dissuade people like him. That's not so much a put down of him, as it is an observation of stubborn people in general. There's no point of DocTY or anybody else trying to tell him otherwise, it'd make no difference.

 

I'd question; the excellent grammar; whilst, agreeing with, the hollow logic.[?]

'part from thet....'nice one max'


regards gringle.

 

You are right tokijin, im a sucker when it comes to trying to help someone. I am attempting to go back to the nero logs where i can do some good. Just to off-set the damage these ppl are doing here. They are not violating forum rules so far, but i did ask them to help ppl. This seems to be more about attention grabbing than helping. Notice how those questions i ask are always deflected with some new science speak? And yes, Doc is a busy guy. I shouldnt divert him on a fools errand.
ARE you HELPING??
that one never seems to get answered.
ARE you HELPING??
ARE you HELPING??
ARE you HELPING??
I ask myself that one, and try to answer YES.
Now i gotta go releave some stress. Been invited to a party, and im going..