Nvideas rsx pipelines vs 360 ATI pipelines 360 core vs ps3 cell

EH, those post's were from last year lol, don't read those

 

kookoo, where are you? Whats your opinion now after reading that article? Do you still bind by your words from 2005?

 

Hy everyone i m new here

Can someone prove now with the ps3 out if it better than a xbox360 with a valid Tecnic arguments!!
that´s all i ask with valid Tecnic arguments...not teorys ok??!

PS. sorry my english i m portuguese

 

Anyone Knows??waths its the best console?

 

kookoo76 do you Know??

 

From Wikipedia. NVIDIA RSX

 

ATI XENOS. XBOX 360

 

Thanks for the information, but i want to Know the perfomance in general Wath the console in future can have better graphics

I know the GPU of the xbox360 is litter better than the rsx i want to Know in general wath its the best onde in General

Please if someone can be imparcial in the judge of the consoles??!!

 

yous do realise that the ps3 is naturally more powerfull then the 360, give the game companys around 1 or 2 years to actually learn how to use the ps3's power.

 

Everyone says that PS3 is better than a xbox360, but i need arguments that comproved that!

See You

 

You also do realize that the PS2 was Naturally more powerful then the original xbox right? but yet what one had the better gfx?.

The PS2 had a more powerful CPU then the xbox but had a worse GPU.
Plus the PS2 was extremely hard to code for where the xbox was alot easier to code for.
Even the Dreamcast could do better textures and stuff then the ps2 could, cos the GPU in the DC was also better then the one in the ps2
But the PS2 could push more polys and use the cpu for some of the more advanced effects.

But i believe that this gen the gfx race is going to be closer then it has ever been before..

 

I'm having a real hard time believing this.
edit** the part about the emotion engine being "naturally" more powerful than the xbox's p3.

 

It is hard to have impartial opinion. Even those who bought both console will surely have one as a favorite.

First of all I am not a gamer. I am a hardware enthusiast. Secondly, if this thread is no longer active, please pardon me for bringing it back after about 2 month of last post. And third, in my earlier post I have supplied a link to article that technically argue about PS3 vs 360 hardware. You can Google "Gotfrag : PS3 CPU & 360 CPU" for that article.

This post is to answer your question on which is the best console in general between Xbox 360 and PS3.

IMHO, the answer is still Xbox 360.

I have seen other post here describing PS3 as being naturally more powerfull that the 360. Which is correct in the sense that PS3 is a 'supercomputer' good for 'vector' calculation stuff.

It is good at calculating lots of repetitive data and streaming it from one SPE to another in the cell processor. Where each SPE will be doing specific vector calculation. PS3 have 7 SPE inside its CELL processor.

PS3 natural power lie in this specific way of processing data. Which is good for doing movie encoding / decoding. Since we are talking about a massive set of data ( video plus audio data) being processed at one SPE for a specific operation and then streamed to the next SPE and so on.

However game is a different matter. Some part of game such as physic and terrain rendering is suitable for this kind of processing. But most part of game codes are not big/massive data, not repetitive and are branchy. For instance AI and game control. Which is better handled by a general purpose processor.

PS3 have a PPE to handle this kind of processing. PPE is the general purpose part of the cell processor. It also controls the 7 SPEs. In the sense that, PPE will have a list of vector computation task to be distributed to the SPEs.

However PPE it self is not as powerful as current generation of Intel or AMD processor. It is a stripped down RISC processor. It takes longer to execute branchy game codes compared to current generation Intel / AMD processor.

Why? To write it in a simple word. Our Intel / AMD processor work extra hard in the hardware to order computer instruction in such away that execution of this instruction will not stall waiting for input. RISC processor do not have this in hardware and depend much on the compiler to optimize the code.

Not everything can be written in simple word . For better explanation look in wikipedia for the following key words : RISC, CISC, Out Of Order Execution.

Anyway. Here is the catch on Xbox 360. We all must know that both console processor is developed by IBM. In fact Xbox 360 processor is actually a PPE customized by IBM for Microsoft. But instead of having one PPE, it has 3.

So what we have is 3 core PPE in Xbox 360 versus 1 core PPE plus 7 SPE in PS3.

Another interesting fact is that each PPE has 2 thread of execution while SPE has 1 thread of execution. So the total count is.

Xbox 360 = 3 core x 2 thread = 6 thread
PS3 = 1 core x 2 thread + (7 SPE x 1 thread) = 9 thread

As other poster has write here. PS3 is naturally more powerful than the 360. But keep in mind that PS3 7 SPEs thread is not so much useful in general purpose processing. For general purpose processing PS3 has only 2 thread while the 360 has 6.

In general, Xbox 360 is a better choice for game. At least for now!

And in addition to this it is not easy to use the 7 SPEs to harness that 'natural' power. Hence all the complaint we heard from developer about how the PS3 is a little bit hard to develop on.

Keep in mind that all I write above is just about the CPU. I have not touch about GPU and memory of both console. So I am being slightly of topic.

Cheers!

* For those who wonder about GPU and memory of both console. The short answer is 360 is the clear winner. The long answer is unfortunately too long!

 

I understand what you are saying but I belive that from having also read the article you quote from that it comes down to the developers.

The PS3 SPE's are a new way of programing and it will take a while for the developers to get to scratch with them - but they will.

Your P.S is a bit cheeky seeing as you state that GPU of 360 is clear winner - As you well know there is a much longer argument to this - and so is not true!

However at the end of the day it should be about the games - if there are games you want to play on a console get that console, even if it means you may have to buy both!

 

It is up to developer and, don't forget, the people who hire the developer. At some point these people will have to decide things like how complicated, how long, how costly and how much performance can be squeezed from a piece of hardware.

I will write about both GPU when I have the time. I hope you can do the same to justify your part of argument.

In short, or at least for now. 360 GPU and CPU and memory subsystem is designed tightly integrated. The design allow developer to easily use and unleash hardware performance.

Agreed. But for those who want to play *most* of the games *now* without buying all three console. There will always be 360.

Due to Cell complexity and 360 humongous user base, lots of developer will develop on 360 first and then port to PS3.Technically this make sense. Even on 360, developer will first develop for single core and then optimized it to 360 triple core.

As I mentioned in my earlier post, one core of 360 CPU is similar to the PPE of cell processor. So the next logical step is

1- Take game code from 360
2- Port it to PS3 Cell processor PPE.
3- Optimize it for SPE vector processing.

As a result. Game will arrive first in 360 and there will be less PS3 exclusive game. Sure, some game like Final Fantasy XYZ (put some number there) will be exclusive to PS3. But note that, in this generation of game console, being exclusive will be very expensive in term of game development effort and $$$ cost.

Regardless of what have been written above. I hope that Sony can clean up their act and turn PS3 into a success. Competition is good. And that is what this console war should be, *competition*. Sadly, it is not happening that way. Guess what, MS is not cutting their price because PS3 is even more expensive. Hell, will MS delay shrinking to 65nm if PS3 launch is a big 'console killer' success?

Cheers!

 

i just got one thing to say ...i got both consoles and by far i prefer the 360...pay so much money for the ps3 and just a crap(with all do respect)ps3 dosnt worth all that money

 

wel iv got both and im asyin ps3 kills xboxs ass why?

for startes its not that much more expensive then the xbox and also it has so many more functions,

you have to BUY addons for the xbox where as the ps3 is built in

ps3 far more superior machine

 

Only thing xbox 360 got better is grafick card the rest is junk 33% of xbox 360 broke down 1% ps3 broke down now u judge what is better