Official docTY Taiyo Yuden thread

ok first off where did you get the media ? and what do they code out as? post the results and the ID on the inner hub

 

I purchased them at meritine.com. The inner hub code is OMG, I need glasses haha. The #'s on the extreme inner hub(clear part) of the disk reads 8 517A409466GG, I'm 99% sure I read those correctly. Looked under several different lights but they are very small so it's possible I could have made a mistake. On the bottom of the disc on the outside of the clear inner ring is GG000118 and above that in is a very small 0518, I'm sure no mistakes in me reading them there.

 

On fogot this, in DVD Identifer they read.

Unique Disc Identifier: [DVD-R:TYG02]
Disc Book TYpe: [DVD-R] - [DVD-R]
Manufacturer Name: [Taiyo Yuden Co. LTD.]
Manufacturer Type: [TYG02]
Blank Disc Capacity: [2,298,496 Sectors = 4.71 GB (4.38 GiB)]

 

@Jake02

the inner hub coding i refer to is the 2nd one that you found, it is OUTSIDE the clear part~ hehe...my eyes are too poor to even see the "magnifying glass required" numbers that you have given..LOL

you definitely got some AUTHENTIC TYG02s, however, it seems like you might have gotten a "bad batch"...before you go sending these back to meritline.com, i have that same drive as you, but, mine is just the Pioneer dvr-109 (with buffalo firmware for booktyping)...may i ask, what version firmware are you using? this is very important that you are up to date...for "normal" pioneer 109's...this is the latest:

http://wwwbsc.pioneer.co.jp/product-e/ibs/device_e/file/DVR109_FW158EU.EXE

1.58....lemme know which firmware revision you are currently using as if you are "out of date", that may be the reason for your skipping/issues~ it's either the firmware OR you did in fact get a "bad batch"...do you notice any imperfections on the disc itself? possible "spots" or small nicks in the dye surface? i burn ALL my TYG02s @8x with no problems at all, so this shouldn't be a burn speed issue, but moreso with a possibility of you gettin a "bad batch", it happens sometimes, there is NO media company out there without their "bad apples"

@caleb

the numbers/hub readings you gave are on the CLEAR portion of the TY disc...there is a good chance you can't see the GG000xxx coding from the top because it IS hub printable~ these numbers are located just OUTSIDE of the clear portion in the middle, away from the hub, NOT on the clear part by the hole try flipping the disc over and see if you can see it from the "bottom side-up"...i dunno if that makes sense, i don't know how else to phrase it correctly~

i don't think you need to worry about authenticity if you bought them @blankmedia.ca, my cousin buys from them as he is in Canada right now too and he has never gotten "fake TYs" (assuming you bought the Taiyo Yudens from them and not some other brand name) no need to worry, i am willing to bet what you got in your hands are the GENUINE stuff~

docTY~

 

@kivory666

My firmware is up to date. I'm using the latest V. 1.58 firmware from Pioneer for this drive. I've thought about trying the buffalo firmware to make it capable of booktyping, I've read some about that, but since I've had no problems before this with any media -R or +R, I havn't done that. Plus I'm kinda ansy about updating firware. If you think the Buffalo firmware might help this issue I will give it a shot though. Done't make since that it would to me, but I'm no expert on this. The disc looks flawless. Obviously I haven't looked at all 100 but I've looked at quite a few under many differnt bright lights and all of them are perfect, no pitting, scratches, dye inperfections, etc, they all look perfect. Maybe I'll try one from the middle or bottom of the batch next to see if that would help. I tried the first 2 from the top and they both did the same thing. Glad to know that you use the same type media with our type drives though. That makes me think it's more than likely a bad batch. Just my luck, my first experince at making my first bulk purchase of the industrys best rated product being defective haha

 

Is your burner in DMA mode?

82. Q. When I'm burning with DVD Decrypter or Nero I get an I/O error or some other strange error, I'm not sure my burner is in DMA mode, and I'm confused about different media, what do I do?
A. http://home.comcast.net/~bbmayo/FAQ.htm

 

@jake02

the buffalo firmware update is quite a task, MOST people that i've given detailed instructions to have NOT been able to successfully convert it...it's a 4 step process that requires cross-flashing and KNOWING exactly what you are doing with firmware/utilities...i agree with you, sometimes the risk is not worth taking for the final result. if you haven't had any problems now with the 1.58 firmware, then by all means...STICK WITH IT~ the buffalo firmware WILL NOT help the issue at hand because you are dealing with dvd-r format, booktyping is not even possible with your TYG02 discs~

give a few dvds from the middle and near the bottom of the spindle a try, that way, we can kinda "guesstimate" whether or not you got a "bad batch" or just a few "bad apples" near the top of the spindle~

lemme know how the "middle discs" and/or the "bottom discs" work out, if they give you good results, then we can assume that you got a few bad discs near the top...if you still encounter the same issues, then, i'd have to say it's a "bad batch" and you should go about getting an RMA to meritline for an exchange/refund~

MOST people don't have problems with Taiyo Yuden media, but, some do...i can only analyze this situation based on certain assumptions (we ALL have different setups at home/work with DIFFERENT specs on computers/ software differences/ etc. etc.) so even though we have the same drive/burner, our configurations might vary DRAMATICALLY prior to the burn process...out of curiousity, what software programs are you using to encode/rip/transcode/re-author/burn/etc. to the TYs?

docTY~

 

@ kivory666

I use:
TSUNAMI DVD EasyPack
DVD Decrypter
DVD Shrink-when needed
Nero 6 Ultra Edition to burn

I've used the same programs for a few months with all the different media types I listed before with awesome results.

My setup is:
AMD64 3000 CPU, Overclocked to 3200
Chaintech VNF4Ultra MB
1GB Corsair Value Select Rams (2x512)
Seasonic 500w PS
Asus 6200TC Video Card
Pioneer DVR-109XLC Drive (FW V 1.58)
Western Digital 160GB, SATA II HD
PS: Going to try the same video files mentioned above with some disc from middle and bottom of the spool to see if that's it. Will be back with the results in a few minutes.

 

also make sure you are running the lastest verison of nero 6.6.0.18 ,dont run other programs while burning even turn off your internet connection and keeping your system clean as in a disc cleanup and a defrag helps lots. let us know

 

Doc... maybe we should compile a list, possibly starting with Jakes Batch numbers. Since Im sure they use the ggooxxxxx numbers to identify when and what lot they were made. This can help us identify any bad or questionable lot numbers, keep a running list of good and questionable lot batch numbers.....

 

I tried 3 more disc, 2 from the middle sections and 1 from the bottom all with the same results. The last one I could hardly get my stand alone player to recognize at all. That's 5 TY's so far, all with the same bad results. I then made my final burn to my last blank SONY +R(coded ty) that I had left. It's playing perfectly, no skips, jumps, pauses, etc., I'm watching it now.
I'm using the 6.6.0.18 version of Nero and always turn off all the programs running in the background that I possbily can, virus protection, internet, others, etc. I never use the computer while burning, encodeing, etc. and I do a routine disc cleanup and defrag. It's eather a bad batch or my stand alone players don't like genuine TY media, haha. Now I've got to figure out if it's cost effective to send these back and should I get another batch of TY's in return or should I just toss them and chalk it up to a bad experience. Meanwhile I'm out of disc, grrr except for a few JVC -RWS that I purchased on the cheap. Don't know much about those except they were dirt cheap lol, they are made in Japan and they work in my stand alones. I ordered them with the TYs so I would have something to test and play with and not have coasters left.
Not that this would have anything to do with it, but would the fact that the TY's pritables with no finish on the top have anything to do with my problem? I know it doesn't grrr, I guess I'm just reaching for something. Those are the first I've purchased like that without any kind of finish at all on the top. Anway, thanks for the help and I'll get in touch with Meritine Monday to figure out what I'm going to do.

 

Meritline.com is reputable, you should definitely try to send them back. Most likely your burner/DVD Player isn't very compatible with TY's. Did you scan any of the TY's with Nero CD/DVD Speed or DVDInfoPro? That could give you an idea if it's a bad batch or compatibility issue.

93. Q. How can I tell if my burned disc is of good quality?
A. Well besides you using quality media like Taiyo Yuden or Verbatim's, you can use a program called Nero CD/DVD Speed to measure the quality of your discs. It measures POF, PIF and gives your disc a quality score based largely on it's precoreded Media ID. In my experience that's the key component to getting a good quality score. A crap manufacturer like CMC Mag won't maintain a great quality score over time, even if you follow all the advice given on AD for successful burning. You don't need to know exactly what PIF's and POF's are, just know the more of them, the more likely your disc will skip, lag, freeze, or not boot at all. When people say CMC Mag or Memorex media is crap, that info is based largely on many Nero CD/DVD Speed scans by burn enthusiaists on CMC Mag media that have yielded terrible quality scores. Try it yourself and see. You can find Nero CD/DVD Speed here: http://www.cdspeed2000.com/go.php3?link=download.html Plextor DVD Burners aren't compatible with Nero CD/DVD Speed. For their DVD Burners you need to use a program called Plextools, which does about the same thing as Nero CD/DVD Speed minus the quality score. You can find Plextools here: http://www.plextools.com/download/download.asp

DVD Info Pro: http://www.dvdinfopro.com/

 

Tokijin

Thanks for the info. I would like to do scans on my disc but for some reason I've never been able to get nero's cdspeed to work. When I click on disc quality to do the scan. The start button is faded and I can't figure out how to correct that so I can start it. All the other tabs work, it's just that one. Maybe it's a compatability issuse with my drive (Pioneer DVR-109, I don't know. I'll give DVDInfo Pro a shot, thanks for the link, it's the first I've heard about that one

 

Waht do you think about this doc, ever heard of them?

 

@Jake02

The 109 is not capable of doing quality scans with CDSpeed. Even with InfoPro it is not very reliable...

 

Jake02 sounds like your standalone player just doesnt like the Taiyo Yudens(which is a first) i doubt very much its a bad batch .try playing them in your PC or another dvd player and see what happens

 

@ aabbccdd
I've tried all of them in my pc using Ulead DVD Player and they all play perfectly. That's why I originally thought it was a incompatability issue between my stand alone players and the TY media. But it's the same on both of my stand alone players which put me back confused again. Neither of these players have had any compatability issues with any media in the +r -r or -rw formats before.

 

and you have what brand of dvd player?

 

@ aabbccdd

I have an Apex that is at least 2 years old, probably closer to 3years or over. It's played everything ever put in it, except cds. The other is a Memorex I bought on sale in November or last year. It also has played everything I've ever put in it. Ok I must revise that, until NOW, they have played everything. Until it tried the TY's

 

wow i had an Apex and it played TYs fine ,iam going to say the TYs just arent going to work with your setup. very odd