Official docTY Taiyo Yuden thread

Just passing by...
My 3 y.o Apex AD 1225 plays everything, from Memorex CD to TY DVD,+/-, or mpegs burned as data...
Yours is kinda strange...

 

Sure sounds like a compability issue. I would try to return them to merritline and possibly try a smaller quantity of some TY dvd+r's or verbatim's. You may have to go with something that you have tried and know works with your setup. Try smaller quantities to be sure they are compatible. I've never had any problems with verbatim (MCC003) dvd+r hub printables. Take into consideration that I always booktype them dvd-rom.

 

Thanks all. It stands to reason for me to that it's a compatability issue between the players and the media. The computer reads them fine with my ulead dvd player software. I'll go back to verbs probably. I've used verbs -R, Sony +R, and TDK -R's. All work perfectly in both players. I think I'll search for a sale locally tomorrow. I'm completely out and try to get a refund from Meritline. I'll probably have to pay a restocking fee, haven't read the return policy yet, but that's still better than 95 disk sitting here that I can't use. Also, another stupid question, they came in wrapped in plastic and I've removed the plastic so it's going to be fun figuring out how to package them, haha, luckaly I kept the shipping box. Anyway, Thaks all for your time and your help. I was sooo wanting to be a TY fan but it didn't work out for me.

 

@jake02

just got home from work, long day...or else i would have responded earlier~

anyways, do you have a pc dvd-rom or a different drive to run quality tests on (preferably a Liteon or a Benq)...as teflonmyk mentioned, the dvr-109 is not compatible w/ nero's cd-dvd speed and ON THE WHOLE, Pioneers are one of THE MOST UNRELIABLE scanning drives when it comes to those kind of tests...seriously, i've ran MANY tests using the my pioneer and i've gotten DIFFERENT results almost every time (same disc, different time of the day; i honestly believe that the test results VARY when the drive is "warmed up" or when the drive is "cold," meaning you just turned on your computer and the drive hasn't read any discs yet)

i've done scanning tests with all sorts of different media, but i rely heavily on the test results from my Liteon or Benq drives (for me personally, i feel they are the most accurate); i'm sure Plextor drives do a very good job of scanning using the PlexTools, but i don't have a plextor drive so i can't comment on them~

back to your current dilemna...i overlooked the fact that your standalones COULD possibly not "like" Taiyo Yuden discs, reason i didn't even think of that is it's VERY rare that people ever report problems with compatibility when using Taiyo Yuden...i'm sure the possibility of it is DEFINITELY there, i just have never personally encountered one or heard from a member that their standalone "plays every kind/format/brand of disc, OTHER THAN Taiyo Yuden"...that just seems very strange to me. but seemingly, if you stated they play perfectly on your PC, that leads me to believe that there IS a compatiblity issue between your 2 standalones and TY media...this is def. a NEW experience to me personally.

@cyprusrom

as a matter of fact, yes i HAVE heard of Pengo, they are a taiwanese company that produce sub-par media...my close friend that i share "dvd media" notes with has actually tried them, they are yet ANOTHER small company that uses a FAKE TAIYO YUDEN code and sells it under their own name brand...it's 100% FAKE TY, the made in taiwan is the dead-giveaway...and also upon checking for the inner hub coding, it is NOT THERE as per genuine TYs that i listed in my first post~ while i have PERSONALLY never used them, i trust my friend 100% when it comes to testing media; we both share a passion for dvd media and he's tried just as many different kinds as i have over the years, with some brands that even i have not tried...he tells me they are pretty piss poor and i believe him...i guess i could relate them to the 8x dvd-r Linkyo (supermediastore's own house brand-which i've heard recently have changed from FAKE TY coding to that of Optodisc or some other crappy manufacturer as people were complaining that these were FAKE TYs and supermediastore got a lot of heat for it- i DO have some of these in my possession at this time, they were given to me awhile ago for me to give me evaluation on, they burn nicely at first, but upon scanning...highest i ever got on them was about 70% due to massive PIE/PIF errors) of FAKE TYG02 coded media...the quality is POOR, the FAKE TYs DO work for some people, but if longevity is what you care about, i would avoid ALL FAKE TYs at all cost~ it simply uses a "fake TY" coding to throw off the unknowing...most of the FAKE stuff is manufactured in taiwan or even shadier factories in hong kong and china...beware.

docTY~

*edit for jake02*

well, as unfortunate as it might seem for you to join the TY bandwagon, i would def. go with Verbatim as my 2nd choice...if you've had good success with them in the past (i know i have and mort81 has too-- 8x dvd+r/16x dvd+r MCC003 and MCC004 respectively), stick with the Verbs~ Verbatim is on sale frequently at local stores if you are willing to be patient for them...i would NOT recommend TDK (personal opinion of course), but the Sony ones that you HAVE had success with would be next on the list after Verbatim.

out of curiousity, did you get the MIT or MIJ Sony? are they in fact the Taiyo Yuden made ones or the Sony coded ones? both are good, but i just thought it would be IRONIC as hell if you did get the YUDEN000T02s (which are TYs) and they work wonderfully on your players, but the TYs in the dvd-r format do not~ that would be a real "kicker" if that was the case...IF that is the case, please do share...i don't mean to laugh as i'm sure it's frustrating for you, but the irony of it all should put a smile on your face, if even for a brief moment.

 

@doc,
thanx, I will let the man know!

How about these codes do they look suspicious to you"? Is taken from a Nero log,and somehow I thought it should be 8x dvd+r = YUDEN000T02.

[bold]Disc Manufacturer ID: YUDEN000
Media type ID: T02
Product revision number: 0
Number of Physical format information bytes in use in ADIP up to byte 63: 56
Media Specific [16..63]:
00 00 03 59 55 44 45 4E - 30 30 30 54 30 32 00 38 ...YUDEN000T02.8
23 54 37 10 02 4E 72 02 - 8C 63 16 16 0B 0B 0A 0A #T7..Nr..c......
01 19 1B 0C 0C 0C 0D 01 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................ [/bold]

As for the inner hub codes and stuff, the only TY that I have ever been fortunate to own ate some x8 Sony MIJ!

 

@Kivory666

No, the Pioneer DVR-109 is the only drive I have on my computer. I custom built this and at the time I was complating putting another drive on it but my thinking was, I would hardly use it except for the rare install of programs. Wasn't thinking about my Pioneer Drive not being compatable with any scanning software or being a reliable scanning drive

It seems strange to me to the compatability issue between my two stand alones and TY Media. I've researched MANY MANY hours since I purchased my Drive and I've never read anything about a stand alone being compatable other types of media and not TY. I think it has somethihng to do with me in relation to Murphys Law. They work great on my computer but not in my stand alones. I still have resorvations about the compatability theory but in respect to the $$ aspect of proving this theory right or wrong I think I will just go with another type media that I've already used and I know works. I can get Sony +R (Yuden000T02) here locally which I had great results with (for a premium price) Or Verb -R MCC which I also had great results with. I'm very curious to try and prove this right or wrong but I'm tight on $$ right now and I'm already at a loss on these so I think I'll just send them back for a refund Monday and get some here locally tomorrow.

PS....
YES YES YES, they are YUDEN000T02
I was thinking the same thing. I been trying to solve this for hours and yes it's a KICKER, IRONIC or whatever else one can call it, haha

out of curiousity, did you get the MIT or MIJ Sony? are they in fact the Taiyo Yuden made ones or the Sony coded ones? both are good, but i just thought it would be IRONIC as hell if you did get the YUDEN000T02s (which are TYs) and they work wonderfully on your players, but the TYs in the dvd-r format do not~ that would be a real "kicker" if that was the case...IF that is the case, please do share...i don't mean to laugh as i'm sure it's frustrating for you, but the irony of it all should put a smile on your face, if even for a brief moment.

 

Jake ,one other thing you might try is using a different program ,download clonedvd 2 with anydvd its a free 21 day trial and run a TY though the program and see if it plays in your standalone. use this guide if you need it. BTW anydvd makes the dvd region free which makes it the most compatible with any standalone deck.[bold]THIS MAY WORK!!![/bold]

http://bbmayo.home.comcast.net/

http://www.slysoft.com/en/

 

@cyprusrom

that dvd identifier result seems ok~, mine look very similar with the only difference being some symbols in the media specifics section~ was that coding given from a "suspicious brand?" the reason i ask is that i have only seen a FAKE TY coding on the dvd+r format from small companies that get their media from Hong Kong, it's rampant on the dvd-r format (made in taiwan fakes)...with fake TYG02s everywhere nowadays, but the YUDEN000T02 FAKE ones are usually "made in hong kong" or "made in india" or some other country where dvd media is not produced on a large scale~ by "large scale" i mean taiwan and japan are the 2 countries that produce the BULK of the media worldwide, moreso taiwan than japan...

the only REAL way to find out for sure is the inner hub coding on those 8x dvd+r discs...it should begin with "TG00xxxx" where xxxx is a numerical value of the batch number. if that coding is not there, then those are FAKE Taiyo Yudens...shady companies out there can easily fake the media ID coding (when identified with dvd identifier, dvdinfopro, nero cd-dvd speed, dvd decrypter, etc.) but to go as far as FAKING the serial just outside the hub...that is MUCH MUCH more difficult to do~

@jake02

wow, that is WEIRD, for the lack of a better word to describe it... seems like your 2 standalone players CAN play Taiyo Yuden media, just not the dvd-r format TYs~ LOL it doesn't really make sense to me as to WHY this is happening tho...

since right out of the block, dvd-r format is MORE compatible than dvd+r (unless booktyped to dvd-rom) and since you have that pioneer with OFFICIAL firmware, it is NOT capable of booktyping...now THAT is IRONY/STRANGE/PECULIAR/etc.. haha

i dunno what else to say...you think it MIGHT be a "bad batch?" or you think your standalones just WILL NOT play Taiyo Yuden in the dvd-r format?

important thing is let's work with your budget, Verbatim MCC coded media are VERY VERY good quality media, i don't have as much experience with Verbatim as i do with Taiyo Yuden, but i have 'quite a few' flawless burns under my belt w/ Verbs (only in the dvd+r format though, i've used less than 100 total in the dvd-r format under the Verbatim brand)

just for your information, Sony branded discs do go on sale too locally, once again, just have to be patient for the sales and to look for the "MIJ" on the spindle to get the YUDEN000T02s that you seem to have GOOD success with in the past~ the MIT Sony coded media is decent too, but, in my opinion, are not as good as the TY produced ones...i think most others will concur too~ good luck and i hope your media buying experience is a good one, save some money and burn on my friend...

docTY~

 

@kivory666

That code was from some Fuji +R, but I don't know if they were made in Japan. If it looked alright, they must be MIJ.

 

@cyprusrom

if it was in fact a FUJIFILM 8x dvd+r disc, then it is DEFINITELY a MIJ one~ i have quite a few of the YUDEN000T02 Taiyo Yuden produced discs under the FUJI label/brand~ they are identical in quality to the unbranded Taiyo Yudens with the same media ID coding and also to the Sony MIJ YUDEN000T02 8x dvd+r ~

with the LARGE companies, ie. Fuji & Sony, you don't have to worry about getting FAKE TYs...it's the small, unknown companies that are notorious for using FAKE TY coding on their marketable brand of media~

whoever it may be that you are helping w/ that coding, it checks out and you can be reassured that if he is using a 8x dvd+r Fuji MIJ disc, it IS an authentic Taiyo Yuden produced disc...you heard it from ME and you can quote me if need be~

have a good one

docTy~

 

thanx doc!
I hope they are MIJ, I don't like to be the bearer of bad news!
You're right, I should've thought about the big/small company issue!
cheers!

 

@Kivory666

Yes it does stand to reason that IF my DVD Players wouldn't play TY's in one of the formats it would be +R, since it's supposedly somewhat less compatable....I haven't run into any issues of this though even without booktypeing. But my problem is reversed. My Sony brand +R's(Yuden003s) work perfectly but the TY brand -R (TYGO2) Doesn't...go figure. Nothing tonight has made any since to me with this issue. Honestly, I don't think It's a bad batch because they do work on my computer using Ulead DVD Player. This leads me to believe that if I exchanged them for some TY +R's from Meritine, they would work. But that's just a chance...hunch...theory...etc. and I really would rather go with some I already know work. It does raise my curiousity though. Even though I don't have a drive capable of booktype, the +R Yuden000T02 works and the -R TYG02 doesn't. You're right, strange is the most fitting word here. I wish I had known about booktyping before I bought this drive, but that's water under the bridge now.

Anyway I thank everyone here for the help tonight. My eyes are heavy and my mind is confused so I'm going to bed. Best wishes to all.

PS...Where on the spindle would the MIJ be. The way I picked the Sonys out on my first buy was they had some -R spindles made in Taiwan and +R spindles some made in Taiwan and Some in Japan. I got a Japan spindle, not really wanting to because I never had experience with the +R format before that, but everything worked out with them and they coded with the Yuden.... code.

@ aabbccdd
I will try this tomorrow, don't want to really get into downloading and installing right now though. I'm tired. I do appreciate the help, TY.

 

jake read my above post and try it in the morning

 

This may be off topic but I was in staples the other day and noticed they had a good price on maxell dvd+r 50 pks. I can't remember the price for sure but I think they were $19.95. They had 50 pks sony (mij) on sale too but they were quite a bit more.

 

Thanks guys
I found the GG00xxxx on the bottom
I looked twice but didn't see anything on the bottom at first
needed the light JUST right
These are real TY
thanks for the tip

 

@ Mort81 Were they the MIJ Maxell DVD+R's? If so I'll definitely want to pick some up.

 

@ aabbccdd

I tried the trial download of CloneDVD and AnyDVD. The problem with my TY-R is still there. Skip...jump...pause, etc in both players and again plays perfectly on my computer. Went to Best Buy earlier, hoping to find some MIJ Sony 25pk they have on sale for $7.99, NO GO, Everything in the 25pks were MIT in fact just about everything in the store was MIT, Verbs, Fuji, Maxell etc. I was able to find a few 50PK Sony MIJ (NOT ON SALE), for $39.99 so I got 1 of those while I was cursing in the checkout line, lol. They code as YUDEN000-T02. Tried one again..even though they are the same code Sonys I bought the last time, I wanted to be sure. They play perfectly in both players. At least I've got some to get me through till I can find some Verbs for a better price. This still blows my mind that my players will play any media I've ever thrown at it -R or +R even -RW, including the Yuden coded Sonys in the + format but won't play my authentic TY's in the - and I'm not booktyping. The mysteries of life haha. I'll get in touch with Meritine tomorrow to see about getting a refund on these. I think I'm going to stick with Verbs from now on. I had success with the DataLife Plus -R that I've tried. Any advice on getting Quality Verbs online. Does the MIJ vs MIT still apply with Verbs? is it possibe to tell which I'm getting when ordering online. I'm tired of driving across town and not finding what I want, haha. Is there a Verb thread here? I looked but couldn't find one. I know this probably isn't the right thread to ask that question but since I started my question here I thought someone might have some advice or could link me. Anyway again thanks for everybodys help last night. Every issue can't be resolved but it's nice to know people out there are willing to help. Catch you guys later.

 

Jake there no such thing as MIJ Verbatims there ALL MIT which is fine to get. supermediastore.com and or meritline.com sell Verbatim at a good price just check and catch a sale i buy all my media online at both dealers so its def. safe .Sams Club also stocks Verbatim 100 pack they run 39.87 i think so thats an option. i will try to find you some links for Verbatim ,it will work out hang in there we will get you straight.

http://supermediastore.com/verbatim-shiny-silver-8x-dvd-r-plus-47gb-media-50.html

theres some at supermediastore 18.49-50-pack for datalife very good media and thats the plus format

check meritline also

 

@jake02

hehehe definitely a mystery to me too...will play taiyo yuden dvd+r format, but will NOT play taiyo yuden dvd-r format...that is a 1st...simply incredible...

anyways, regarding your MIJ vs MIT, ABSOLUTELY NOT, it does NOT apply to Verbatims...wherever you can get the best price, i am willing to bet you will only find the MADE IN TAIWANS in the single layer and MADE IN SINGAPORE for the dual layer Verbatims~ the reason the MIJ vs MIT debate does not apply in this case, is that we here in the U.S. do not have the taiyo yuden produced Verbatims here and the UK does~

so, it won't matter if you choose to order online, you will PROBABLY get the "made in taiwan" Verbs regardless of where you order them...same as buying them locally (best buy/circuitcity/compusa/office depot/officemax/etc.)

as a matter of fact, ALL my single layer Verbatims are MADE IN TAIWAN and all my DL Verbs are made in singapore...i've had terrific success with both..

while you could "shop around" online for the best price on Verbatims, i personally would wait until the local stores have a sale...it's usually like $14.99 for a 50-pack, so it comes out to about $0.30/disc when on sale...i would utilize those EXPenSIvE Sony's that you just recently purchased (outta desperation i hope) until the next Verbatim sale...

anyways, good luck and burn on...

docTY~

@mort81

while that price is "ok" for the Maxells, i would wait for the Office Depot sales on Maxell, you will be paying a lot less if you are patient...$0.40/disc is considered kinda "high" these days with all the local sales dropping media prices down to the $0.25-$0.30 range when on sale while to SOME, $0.40 for Hitachi made Maxells MAY be worth it, but for me i personally wouldn't go outta my way at that price~ and for the MIT Maxells, i would DEFINITELY NOT pay $0.40/each for Ritek media when you can get them online for much cheaper if "budget media" is what you desire...

 

Thanks to you both. Good advice. It looks like my quest for quality verbs is going to be less complicated and should work out for me judging from my last experience with Verbs. Yes the OHH SOO expensive Sony purchase was out of despiration. Same as my last Sony purchase. But I knew they were quality, would work for me and it's close to an hour drive each way...yes I live in NothingNearBy, USA..so I went with them. The price on those MIT 25Packs Sonys looked very attractive though. I was going to pick up 4 of them if I could have found MIJ. Thanks for the advice again. Catch you later.

Grrr, considering what I just paid for these Sonys that Verb...Supermedia Price....I'm slapping myself, lol. I had to have them now though. I will definatly look around on my next purchase. Thanks for listing it.