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Playing ps2 backups without mod chip & boot disc

Discussion in 'PS2 - Software boot discussion' started by vivalakev, Nov 9, 2004.

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  1. xSuRgEx

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    ^ please Enlighten us , IRC and Newsgroups still offer non booting backup's.

    and the bar code has nothing to do with the boot process.
    every cd doesent have to have a bar code / if its presed or not,
    win98se has no bar code but winXP pro does.

    remember people Anything is possable. you just have to look harder. Google is your friend. ;)
     
  2. L-Burna

    L-Burna Active member

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    0_o The barcode is what makes the games not get recognize that is only done with by using a press machine.It is provent that it is the barcode,whenever you plug the disc in the disc drives read that barcode making it where you can't access the disc.It has happened with Nintendo,Xbox,but Sony didn't make a full proof barcode so it is possible to access this disc.If you look on any original game disc it will have that barcode which is in the center of the disc.Take a look at it and you will see what I mean,right outside the very inner circle which says the encryption followed by weird looking lines or symbols.Hey xSuRgEx Win98 is old man that is why it doesn't have that barcode.I bet if you look at all the new WinXP discs they will have a barcode,and besides once people started burning Win98 an stuff like that.Microsoft is definately going to pick up on it because if they didn't they would lose money.You are right newsgroups will still keep putting out non-direct boot PS2 games.It can't be done unless the barcode from the original disc is inserted on the backup because if it isn't you will get the ps2 format read error sign.The disc drives read that encryption which a modchip fakes the PS2 into reading and the slidecard/fliptop fake the system out of doing that check.
     
  3. xSuRgEx

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    i have jsut put a small amount of stick paper from a Postit note over my need for speed underground 2 and then , used a marker pen so the laser cant "read" the bar code and it boots. so i have now proven that the bar code has shit all to do with the boot.

    i know winxp has a bar code. but not all presed cds/dvds have them.
     
  4. Dude2099

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    So punx777 did you get this Direct Boot PS2 Game in the mail, i cant believe you havent told use how to do it, he knows the truth now and is not telling us :p
     
  5. L-Burna

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    You still didn't cover up the whole barcode,just becuase it has part of it seen on the disc.It doesn't mean you covered it up.I think what you would have to do to prove that would be to get a microscope and read all the encryption data on the disc as it seems that writing a disc is made up of code.If you can see that then you must have good ass eyes for real.You couldn't have covered it all up think about it the barcode still goes into some depth.
     
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    It still is not possible they have to have encryption on the disc made from a better system then we all have.I don't think any of us can afford it since it can't be done without proper equipment.It has a barcode for real that enables the drive to read it.If you think about it how come when you put a game disc in your system and make a backup of it you can't do certain things with it such as online play n stuff like that.The files should also write to the disc and code as well right(code is not written in our supported burning devices).They have encryption which blocks this so still it is not possible.
     
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  7. dud0r

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    It's not just the barcode.
    It's the bad sectors, there's no writer that can write bad sectors.

    I want proof, and don't come with a story about the mcexploit cause that's still swapping to boot back-ups.
     
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    Of course it has bad sectors,but that can be fixed where if you emulated the image you could fix the issue of bad sectors.This is not the problem though where the bar code has to deal with the boot process,and just taking a marker and tape and covering it up will not cover up the barcode.It still could have indepth code that you still don't see,so making this assumption of the barcode is not needed is false it is needed and you can't prove it by saying I took a marker and marked it,but it still boots.You have no idea where the actual bar code is since a pressing machine could put that code anywhere on the disc to be honest even in a fine line that is not visible without a super microscope.
     
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    The mcexploit has nothing to do with direct boot as you can see it still using the boot process from a PS1 game.I don't know where that came from,but you are talking about a subject that is not relevant to this subject.The reason games play on a unmodded PS2 is the fact that it uses a already pressed disc to jump through the process of reading a game.The drives in the PS2 system are programmed to read this process it is fact for real no burner is capable of reading the code for PS2 systems.The only thing it is capable of reading the files off the disc nothing more than that the code still exists and is not an option since the burners are not able to read it.I think that is proof right there dud0r you can't read the code of your burner to get a direct boot even as of now PS1 games can't have direct boot since the code is needed for that also.Like I said there is no proof that there is a direct boot disc without a pressing machine since it can be programmed to read the code that is written on the discs.
     
  10. jonjakjam

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    This thread is Pure BS guys.
    If there [bold]WAS[/bold] a way to play backups on a totally unmodded Ps2, we would know...
     
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    @LBurna:
    I never said it is possible to boot back-ups on a non modded ps2 or with swap trick.
    I was referring to the guy who said he could play back-ups on an nonmodded ps2.
    I want proof of that, and with the mcexploit your ps2 is not modded, but you'll need a swap to get a back-up to work, i said that so that guy doesn't give me a bs story about booting games through the mcexploit.
    And i thought that even with a image made of the disc the bad sectors were ignored.
    But you're right about the bar code, it's somewhere really well hidden on the disc.
    Mabye you can ask sony nicely and they'll give you a bar code, then buy a disc press and make bootable back-ups (Y).
     
  12. xSuRgEx

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    i have now covered up the whole bar code that you can see on the back of the disk. and it still boots, if you dont beleave me try it for you self.!!

    if you take a look at the back of a ps2 disk you will see a water mark that shows the PS symbol

    sony ps2 disks are DADC

    Sony DADC is proud to offer these new technologies: SecuRom™, key2Audio XS™, key2Data™, Postscribed ID™, Media Test Center, Custom Mix, ECD, eBridge and n-CD.

     
  13. xSuRgEx

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    a quote from a website
    by paRaDoX

    PaRaDoX
    Originally posted by CyByte
    what does secure rom do? btw this is the first one that worked in my laptop

    I believe this can help you

    SecuROM NOT SECURE ROM

    - How it works:
    It is the combination of an electronic fingerprint applied to each disc and a sophisticated encryption technology for authentication differentiating a legitimate CD-ROM from a pirated disc. Unlike SafeDisc protection , the SecuROM protection does not rely on the deliberate introduction of unreadable errors onto the disc; consequently: any CD-Reader supporting RAW reading (and ability to read SubChannel) can do the job in a fast way.

    - How to recognize it:
    Most of the time, theses following files can be found on that type of CD : CMS16.DLL, CMS_95.DLL or CMS_NT.DLL ; but you may find CD protected with SecuROM that don't contain theses files.

    So, another way to reckon it is to look at the barcode of CD , you will be able to distinguish a little "logo" with name "DADC" on it , (it only applies with Data CD since AudioCDs pressed by Sony also include this logo) (e.g "Hachette 2000 Encyclopedie" is a French SecuROM protected CD that only contains "DADC" logo).

    Update: Recently Sony updated the SecuROM protection in order to make it much more difficult to duplicate. There's a new version of Securom (used in e.g. V-Rally 2, Diablo II, Ground Control, Music 2000, Soulbringer). There are NO cms*.* files anymore and on some CDs there isn't even the DADC-logo. This time the protection checks for CDR media and when finds it crashes the application. CloneCD latest builds can duplicate the new SecuROM but you need to install the backup only from CD-ROMs!

    The new Securom files are

    SINTF32.DLL
    SINTF16.DLL
    SINTFNT.DLL
    They are copied to Windows system directory during installation!

    and here is another piece of infor by Gamefreak that can help you

    What is ATIP and how does it work as copy protection ?
    Posted by DoMiN8ToR on Sunday, October 21 2001

    Question answered by G@M3FR3@K

    Every CD-R has important info on the disc itself which is called ATIP (Absolute Time In Pre-groove) or pre-groove for short. Without this data/info the CD-R cannot be used by a writer. The ATIP contains the following info:


    The capacity of the CD-R

    The manufacturer of the CD-R

    The type of the CD-R (eg. Audio only)

    Supported writing speeds

    Absolute lead-in time

    Last possible address where data can be written

    etc...
    Only a CD-Writer and some DVD ROMs can read the ATIP information.


    The ATIP protection is based on this fact: when the game starts it checks if there's ATIP info present: if so then it will presume it's a CD-R disc and will not play.

    However a normal CD-ROM cannot read this ATIP and will of course 'say' that this data is not present: thus the copy will work...


    Having said that there is now a newer version of the Secu - ROM version 4.X which currently is not copiable with the use of the Clone CD alone directly.

     
  14. pragora

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    Once again, there are people on here that think what the creator of this topic is saying is BS. Well if you all were not so narrow minded you would know that it is true. I have 2 PS2's from the Philippines. One with a Zetta mod chip (God knows how I can burn a DVD disc to play on the thing) and the other is version 10 with no MODS or changes from a factory sealed box. The version 10 I have plays games that are not the orginal but WILL NOT PLAY ANY BURNED GAMES FROM A PC from what I can tell. It does however play games from Hong Kong, that are not orginal, but from what I can tell are pressed. There is a Name in HOLOGRAM Lettering in the clear plastic protion of the disc that has the game name on it. The disc itself is GOLD Backed and is a cheap DVD R+ from China (This was found out by using a Disc Designation Program to determine the make of the Disc itself.) There are no burn lines on the disc just like in an Original, so it is a copy but I have no idea how it is done. I have 20 games that are like this, and anyone of you people who think this guy is full of bs, feel free to email me at pragora@hotmail.com and Ill send you a scanned pic of the DVD games themselves. Stop being ignorant about something you all dont know about. Just because you have no clue about it or how to do it, does not mean it does not exist.
     
  15. darthnip

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    we've had a request that this thread be closed to end the confusion, and after reading it i couldn't agree more.
     
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