Bigtox I just purchased a 3500a. It works fine with Prodisc. So far I have had less problems with Prodisc than any brand I have used. I still get batches of Riteks but mostly I buy Prodisc. I have been using the 8x DVD-Rs.
if discs say 4x (which is G04 dye) then they are 4x discs. it doesn't matter whether it is data, video, image, or whatever you can burn. it will burn it "up to" the speed the burner wants to burn it at the burner firmware uses write strategies to "read" the media code and that tells the burner what speed to burn at
So then hwy did the old didks burn at 4x and the new ones don't then? Why do they have this new "note" on the case that makes a distiction? I'ven been using G04's for over a year and never had a problem unitl 2 motnhs ago when they made the change. They will not burn DVD video or games or even make 1x1 copies at 4x's. How do you explain this?
It sounds like you have been taken. The discs that say 2x are apperently fakes or some other ruse. I have never seen or recieved any actual Ritek 4x that said 2x video 4x data.
mitsumi 4x dvd-r 100pack $40canadian @ futureshop my burner LG GSA4160B 16x dual layer burning at 2x i burned 2 coasters while copying a disc. restarted before each attempt and all. tried on a 4x memorex and had success. these discs are POS, they even look cheap. returned them with no questions
Yes, it appears those evil folks at Ritek have been pulling the wool over our eyes. Those G04 discs burn at 1X-2X-4X speeds. The guys at Meritline ratted them out. You can see it in the merchandise description. So, now we know that these discs will burn at speeds lower than 4X. Seems there was mention of a 4.3X burn speed involved. Some drives will only burn these discs at 2X. So, these can't be true 4X discs can they? Guess, I'll just have to give all my business to Ricoh. Hmmm... forgot, Ritek sells those to. What is a person supposed to do?
Go bonkers trying find a reliable brand I've experienced some troubles with my last batch of RiDATA that came in the purple labeled cake boxes and have the arrow printed on the disc. The results from burning them at 4X were very disappointing with skipping occuring from the get go. They were burned in my Plextor PX-708A using the same software/methods I always have. Once I knocked the burn speed down to 2X everything was as it should be. I've sinced picked up some TDK TTGO1's for testing. I've always had nothing but outstanding results using branded RiDATA but this slip in quality has really bothered me and I don't want to be bothered
Woe is us. Let's hope Ritek gets through playing around with the dyes and new items soon and get the reliability of the product back in line. Otherwise, as good consumers, we can take our business elsewhere. Meritline is a good vendor and they do sell a number of good products other than the Ritek items.
Donald - these are the discs - Ritek/Ridata - that say 2x video, 4x data: You can't really see it in this pic, but right beneath the big "4X DVD-R" it says in very small print "General, Version 2.0, 2X/4X for Data". I'm holding a spindle in my hand right now and that is exactly what it says. You tell me if they are genuine Ritek/Ridata or not. Meritline is selling them as "50 Pack Genuine Ritek Ridata G04 1X-4X DVD-R (Silver Matte) Blank Media 4.7GB for General Purpose DVDR Disc (Discs) $0.45 Each"
I'm figuring these are in the Arita category. 2nd or third line with poor reliability. Stay away. But then you have already figured that one out. Anyway it goes you still got hosed. I buy the normal rated red pack printables when I go Ritek. I wouldn't have figured Merit line to sell stuff like that.
The semantics are starting to get ridiculous here. Media can be used to burn at different speeds. Some software programs will control the burn speed down to 1X. Firmware will control burn speeds as well. There are old burners that only burn at 2.4X and slower. There are still a lot of 4X burners that burn only at 4X and below. The media is labeled by its highest speed. If it will burn up to 4X it is 4X the same on up to the 16X media DVDs. 16X media is 16X even if it only burns 4X on a 4X burner. So, it is not surprising to find out what many of us already know, 4X media will burn at speeds below 4X; like 1X or 2X. That 2X/4X for Data... did you ever consider that means 2X and 4X write speeds for Data. I have some Fuji labeled with 4X in bold print and in smaller print it says "up to". If you check with Meritline or anyone else, you'll find that is what it means, it'll burn at 2X and 4X; not 2X for Video and 4X for Data. I didn't see Video mentioned at all in your wording. Scan that little section and put that in a post if it says something like 2X Video. If they put that, it is an error as I and many others know from experience that this media burns video consistently at 4X. If some drives won't write at 4X, it doesn't give an ironclad guarantee that it will on all. Here's one for you, it says Video and not Data in the description. Now you can say it's a Video disc and can't be used for Data. Sort of a dumb conclusion on my part due to taking the statement too literally. Here is the promo description of the media, this should be enough unless one is a Creten. If you want to get picky; this isn't a 4.7GB disc. The 4.7 DVD5 only holds 4.37GB. Records 120 Min. Not so, I just recorded a 3 hour movie (depends on user). So, they weren't talking about what's true all the time or even exact figures. I don't think the claim of false advertising or ripoff conspiracy holds much merit in this case. If this is where this thread has gone, someone with the title of moderator should pull the plug on it.
What should have been said is that joedrumma had a problem with a batch of G04s. Simple and it doesn't take on an air of conspiracy. We all know, or most of us do, that Ritek changed the G04 dye which some say has affected quality. There again, nothing even conclusive. Definitely not a conspiracy or false advertising about write speeds and write capabilities. Bulk packaging doesn't mean inferior merchandise. If so, I've been buying inferior merchandise for a long time and liking it.
I didn't mean to promote conspiracy theory Brobear. Sorry about that. I was making many inferences from the varied information given by joedrumma. Not all of them valid. I haven't recieved any of these discs so I don't know how they work. I just know all the Riteks I buy are fine. It is possible the problem is even in the hardware.
Donald, I wasn't really making that much reference to your statement. I saw it was a reply to some erroneous info. Also, we know there have been a number of ripoffs involving the Ritek name and recently one invovlving the TY code. So, knockoffs of products is a problematic issue. What ended up here was someone dissing a product because they were seeing particular burn speeds on their hardware and giving their interpretation of what a line of text means to them. Like most media, we will occasionally hear about compatibility problems. This is one of the few times I've seen someone make such a big issue of a description; especially when it is clarified in several different sections of the vendors site. It just started getting old seeing the same old statement, after people had joked about it and dispelled the claim in various posts. I can see legitimate complaints, but continuously alluding to a percieved wrong where the situation has been pointed out is going a bit too far.
i tried some khypermedia +r about 4 months ago and out of a 25 pack i think maybe 10 were good . they were glitchy the ones that actually did burn . in my opinion khypermedia are land fill material . i have used alot of fuji films +r's with very few bad ones . i have told some here on afterdawn to give some fuji's a try only to see post after post saying they are land fill material . i dont think so and i told many people im going to stick with what works . i also use verbatim , sony , and some but not many imation's . i recently picked up some taiyo yuden's 8x +r's just to see how they are . the ty's seem to be good so far .
Well considering the fact that the 4X +R Fuji have been made by Ricoh and the 8X +R are made by Taiyo Yuden (TY), I can see where you have been getting good results. People that know enough about media don't diss those manufacturers, even when sold under the Fuji brand. The problem is that all media by a brand is not from the same manufacturer. That's why most people include brand, speed, format and manufacture code when they discuss a media. DVDInfoPro and DVD Identifier are a couple of freeware apps that read manufacture codes. Nero and some recording apps will give the manufacture code as well. Giving the brand and in some instances even the speed doesn't point to a particular media because some brands sell more than one manufacturer's product for the same speed and format. For a while you could get Ricoh and CMC as the 4X +R offering from Memorex. Maybe some of the Fuji was landfill material, but probably not the one's you mentioned. Get the software to ID the media and then you can not only put down the brand for selling a particular disc, but the manufacturer responsible for making it. That way you don't throw the baby out with the wash as they say. (Don't put down everything being sold by a particular company or brand or one could end up putting down most of the brands on the market. A number of brands have questionable manufacturers and some are the most popular brands.) Khypermedia, where did that one come from. I've never heard of it before and I steer away from products I know nothing about. Everyone is constantly saying to stick with the known branded items. After a few coasters, any savings from buying cheap media go out the window. On sale, I recently purchased the Ricoh and TY discs from Fuji for about 40 cents each. That was quality at bargain basement prices.
im going use dvdinfopro and will post some results for you . the khypermedia +r's were puchased at my local sam goody . i was out of discs so picked them up to get me by till i could get some fuji films . that was a mistake . as you said i lost some money there .
Just remember to check blank recording media in the burner drive. I use DVDInfoPro myself because it does a lot of things, multi tool. DVD Identifier is easy if all you want is the manufacture code.
ok brobear here we go . khyper media dvd+r unique disc identifier- dvd+r;CMC MAG- R01-000 manufacture name - CMC MAGNETICS CORP manfacture id - cmc mag media type id - R01 recording speed - 1x,2.4x sony dvd+r unique disc identifier - dvd+r; SONY-D11-000 manufacture name - SONY RECORDING MEDIA CO manufacture id - sony media type id - D11 recording speeds - 1x,2.4x,4x,6x,8x fuji films dvd+r unique disc identifier - dvd+r;RICOHJPN-R01-002 manufacture name - RICOH CO LTD manufacture id - RICOHJPN media type id - R01 recording speeds - 1x,2.4x,4x verbatim dvd+r data life plus unique disc identifier - dvd+r;MCC-003-000 manufacture name - MITSUBISHI CHEMICAL CORP manufacture id - MCC media type id - 003 recording speeds - 1x,2.4x,4x,6x,8x imation dvd+rw unique disc identifier - dvd+rw;RICOHJPN-W01-001 manufacture name - RICOH CO LTD manufacture id - RICOHJPN media type id - W01 recording speeds - 1x,2.4x verbatim dvd+r dl unique disc identifier - dvd+r-dl;MKM-001-000 manufacture name - MITSUBISHI KAGAKU MEDIA manufacture id - MKM media type id - 001 recording speeds - 1x,2.4x taiyo yuden dvd+r 8x unique disc identifier - dvd+r;YUDEN-000-T02-000 manufacture name - TAIYO YUDEN CO LTD manufacture id - YUDEN000 media type id - T02 recording speeds - 1x,2.4x,4x,6x,8x i hope you dont tell me these are all land fill material because i have had good results with most except the khypermedia .
Wouldn't dare, I'd be disagreeing with my previous post. LOL The only questionable manufacturer you listed is the CMC Magnetics who made the Khypermedia. They are the same company that manufactures the Memorex media that gave Memorex the bad name. Seems a lot of people find fault with CMC media, no matter which brand it is sold under. The fuji is just what I thought it might be. It's the same disc I've been using for the past year from different brands. I have a hundred pack of the Fuji-Ricoh discs right now. I've burned about 50 or them with no disc failures. I made a couple of coasters, but it was due to bad rips and not the media. The discs have the files that were burned to them. The rest of the manufacturers read like a whose who of the DVD manufacturing industry.