ok first of all i know how to copy ps2 and ps1 games, i've tried it before for a lot of games, even the new ones such as God of War 2 etc and yes i copied games properly and was able to get them to work on my modded ps2. My 3 most used methods of copying games are using Nero 7 Ultra Edition and DVD Decrpter. When i use Nero, there're 2 ways i copy games. Most of the time i just choose "COPY DVD" and it works most of the time. If it doesn't work, i save the image onto my desktop and then burn it onto a disc. When i use DVD DECRPTER, it's pretty easy i just choose "READ ISO" and then "WRITE ISO". I've tried both methods be4 and i did copy a lot of games properly, i also read this thread about using DVD DECRPTER here: http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/117975 So yea just to clarify that i know how to get it working so ppl don't call me noob or watever......anyway onto my problem. My friend borrowed FF12 from his friend and i borrowed it yesterday to copy it. Since the disc doesn't belong to my friend he has to give it back 2morro, so by the time someone reply me i won't have the disc anymore. I used up 3 blank discs and use all the copying methods i know of and couldn't get the discs working on ps2. Since i won't have the game by 2morro i saved the images using both Nero and DVD decrpter onto my PC. The 3 discs i burnt all showed the "PLAYSTATION 2" title when i load them in my ps2, but then they show a black screen and doesn't load the menu. I waited for about 5 mins and then the screen shows "PLEASE INSERT PS2 DISC" with the red background. Well i just don't get y it shows the Playstation 2 title and doesn't load the game at all. I asked my friend and he said that maybe the disc is a DVD 9. He said DVD 9 discs are usually over 4GB, but i checked and FF12 is only 3.8 or something, it's less than 4GBs for sure. This is the only game i have problem copying, also i had problem copying San Andreas as well, those are the only 2 games i can't copy for some reason. So yea plz help guys i would really appreciated some replies. Also, can someone tell me how to check if your blank dvd disc is double layered and if it's layer 5 or 9? Is there a program that checks that for u?