Ps3 and Xbox 360, a war to come..

[bold]Ps2 Cut scene[/bold]
Developers computers are more powerful to produce better quality cut scene's


[bold]Ps2 in game[/bold]
The actual Ps2 working to produce the graphics you see here


[bold]Ps1 in game[/bold]
The actual Ps1 working to produce the graphics you see here


[bold]Ps1 cut scnene[/bold]
Not as good quality graphics as the cut scene from the PS2 version. The reason why is because the devlopers computers where less powerfull. This image has nothing to do with the PS1, it was all generated through the power of the developers computer. The Ps1 reads the disc (regardless of wether it is a DVD or not) and plays whats on it. Remember the real video footage you would see on a PS1. I remember one, it was a music video on a demo disc. All the PS1 does is read the information and plays it back just like it is doing with the cut scene. The PS2 does not use any of its GPU or CPU (a little to actualy get the film running but not like it does in a game) thus the image before your eyes is an image of what the developer produced on his computer much like Toy Story or Final Fantasy the film.

 

All in all its down to the in game and 360 is proving to be equal to PS3.

 

Believe what you want to believe. I can even show you with xbox graphics that the games dont look that different right now.
And that ff8 picture the last one isnt from the game...its too blury if you cant notice, it should look crisp clear. Both games were generated on a ps2 or a psx, and iv already told you why thats not a cutscene made from another computer. theres even a scene in ffx where you get to play with that graphics for a while,

 

Two sites that discriminate between the system-rendered and FMV.

http://www.ffxii.net/?nav=media/fmv1
http://www.ffxii.net/?nav=media/game-screen

and

http://www.ffextreme.com/ff12/images.html
http://www.ffextreme.com/ff12/screenshots.html


'The Guy Game' has some "incredibly realistic looking" graphics on the Xbox, but a movie is hardly a gauge for the systems ability. It's just FMV. If the PS2 can pull these excellent graphics in game under a controlled situation for a short time, that's cool. But the next Gen systems will do that in-game all day and justifies the move as an evolution. The 360 games do look similar for the most part to current abilities, but not all of them, this is because they are made by the same people who have spent the last few years making the older games. As they learn the new they will bring it's ability forth. Xbox 360 has a jump on PS3, but PS3 has an incredible fanbase. I'm even gonna throw Nintendo in, deservingly. Everything is in order.

You are correct, it is too early to compare. The only problem is for people who can only afford one system. That is a decision they will make based on the games they want to play. The needs are different for everyone. If you are waiting, make sure to do yourself a favor and look at each system with a fair eye.

 

Thats what I am talking about. Those priity images are FMV not in game. If they where what the PS2 could produce then why on earth would anyone buy a 360 or a PS3 for that matter.

All I ask is that dont jump into a boat simply because you know what it's like. What do I mean by this? Well I didnt buy a Sega Saturn becuase I had a Megadrive. I not buying a PS3 becuase I had a PS2. Thats the reason why those who are buying a PS3 are buying it. In thier mind they are thinking 'My PS2 was great, I didnt give the xbox a try or I did give the xbox a try but didnt like it. That automaticaly means the 360 is crap and PS3 I know is good because I had a PS2'.

'I dont want a 360 because most the games on it are new and I dont like change I want the same FF or Metal Gear.'

 

I Think i've explained this a million times.
For the ps2 to produce those graphics constantly will take to much time to develope the game. As you already know, ps3 is 35x more powerfull than the ps2. That means that you would most likeley to see games with 35x better graphics on the ps3. Thats why you will buy it. I'm sure you already know that xbox360 only uses one core, which can affe t it graphically. That means the xbox360 wont be able to send that much info to the gpu because its only using 1 core. Expect to see 10x better graphics in 4 years from now.

And I've already explained this too.

Thats what ps1 at 100% can produce, that looks better than most ps2 games. And dont say that was dvd and a different computer produced it. psx cant play dvd's.

WTF? I've played xbox plenty of times. I just dont like there games, nd i've played alote of them. I liked my ps2 more simply beccause of the games. And i dont only play only ff and mgs, infact i dotn even have a mgs game. Your being steriotypical. Xbox players will think the same of ps3 if you say that. That statment is pointless. People know what they are going to get what they want.

 

Look PSX cant play DVD's I know that but the differnce between a DVD and CD is simply just storage just like blue ray over a DVD. That means you can still code FMV or films onto a cd.

Those pictures are not in game graphics, I refuse to belive it. There is no way on this Earth that those grphics are on the PSX. I know your not going to like what I say but those are what the developer created on the computer then it went to the manufactorer where they burnt the information onto a CD. You place the CD into your PSX. The lasser reads the information and then just like a V-CD plays it back on your TV. Once it is over the PSX then decodes the information on the CD where it will go through all its techical components to creat a game before your eyes wich surpisingly look like all the other PSX games where the characters look like they are made from lego and are really pixly and grainy.

 

Thats imposable. It just like saying that if you put a video, or like an n64 rom on a disk, the psx will play it. Thats what psx can produce 100%, thats what ps2 can produce at 100%, and you dont know how ps3 or xbox360 will look at 100%

 

What are you talking about impossible? If thats the case then the music video i watched on the PSX must have been CGI but I could have been sure it was real. If it was CGI then its the best I have ever seen which is why I believe it wasnt but an actual video like the one you saw on FF.

Look, somthing like Metal Gear Solid Snake Eater is a game that uses near to 100% of the PS2's power. The Final Fantasy 12 images you have showed me are 100% FMV they use none of the consoles power. I cant believe we are having this arguement. I thought you knew your stuff. Well you have proven me wrong you dont know your stuff if you think that the PSX can produce images like that.

I just rememberd! I know somthing that used close to 100% of the PSX's power. Remeber the demo disc? Remember the dinosour you could move the camera around and open its jaw? Well that was somthing that used 100% of its power.

I even have more proof. I have a old rubbish laptop that can just about play Warcraft 3. First I would like to say that the game is on CD. Secondly if you have played the game you will notice the FMV sequences. My computer is just barely above the PSX standard if that and the FMV sequences are equal in graphic quality to Final Fantasy 12 FMV. So you see if my laptop is around the same power as the PSX then how on earth can it play the FMV sequences that are as good as Final Fantasy 12?

Like I said I cant believe we are having this debate. Who in thier right mind thinks those FMV sequences are produced with the console.

 

Alright, you still seem to be arguing my poimnt, ok now il us xbox as an example.
look at these images
http://www.gamespot.com/xbox/action/black/screenindex.html

Are tehy any better than the 360's? Or ps3? They lok about the same.

 

guys guys guys, wot is going on here? i take it you've all played final fantasy games yeah? because i am a huge fan and i can tell you those ARE FMVs, not in game.. FMVs are produces on the developers computer like some one said, cant remember name(sorry).. and they then save tht FMV file seperate onto the disc as a movie not playable in game.. thats why theres a slight pause to wait for the FMV to play.. this is true, i downloaded a CD cracker from kazaa ageees ago and put in FF7, FF8, FF9 and watched all the FMVs from them, when the crack program opened the disc contents there were files everywhere but, all the FMVs registered as a movie and played, I tried the other files and they wouldnt open.. there ya go.. FMVs are not the consoles graphics, just movies loaded onto the disc, jus a movie that uses the consoles processor and produces an audio video image on the T.V screen.. The quaity of the FMV is dependable on how much space it use on a disc, PSX would play PS2 FMV graphics say FFX if it could play DVDs!

 

You still dont get it, im not saying that it uses the ps2 power, i am saying that it was produced on a ps2 engine, then converted to a FVM. This is not the point I'm trying to prove though. Since yu wont exept the ff12 graphics. Take the xbox images from black and compair the xbox game to the xbox360 games, you will not see it graphically change.
http://www.gamespot.com/xbox/action/black/screenindex.html
PS:JuBei87, Do you have ff7 on your computeR? i keep trying to download it using bittorrent, but non of them are downloading, all 0% health, do you know where i can get a good one from? Or do i have to use a torrent downloader to download it. Nothing seems to work.

 

na na bro i do, i was agreein with you n tellin anyone else who was arguing that it did use ps2 power, but saved on disc as a movie.. i was agruin wiv ya lol.. and i totally agree wiv black, those graphics i think in ways are better than 360s..

oh n na i borrowed the pc version off a friend ageees ago n copied the disc.. i've bin tryin t find a descent download sit for sum1 else on the net, cnt find one.. all dud, sorry!

 

I still cant see how the PSX can produce those kind of graphics as FMV but regardles of that it doesnt really matter because you cant play FMV, so games that look as good as this (see below) that you can play are the images that I am interested in.


[bold]Mass Effect[/bold]


[bold]Gears of War[/bold]

 

FMV was produced on the ps1 engine. Thats smart because it would take no time to load. You can tell its ps1 aswell. You notice the little shading, no tectures and different color, the face is the same color, mabey if you noticed. its not that detailed as those pictures. believe it.
Why did you posts those images?

 

ok. i had a thught today talking to some shipping people at the store today and looking around.

i believe microshaft made only a seldom amount of systems and distributed them as spread as possible, just so they could be all "omg we sold out in the first day almost everywhere!!!! that means people love us!! everyone buy one now since so many people did to make it sell out!!" its all an over-hype scam.

also, the upfrount set of games for the 360 is not tool great. alost of them are just ports and should be excluded. the ps3 already has over 150+ games in plan or development. also, my 2 favorite game companies, free radical (timeplitters dev team) and ubisoft (if you dont them them go die), are teaming together on a currently untitled game. i cannot wait.

also, the 360 rep guy i had a fight with said the 360 is water cooled. would that work well lying down and standing up? plus doesnt that liquid have to be replaced every year or two or so?

 

First in Response to [bold]Kookoo67[/bold]
I posted those pictures up to get away from the point of this stupid FMV argument. It wont matter what you say to me, you will not convince me about FF FMV being made on PS1 or PS2 for that matter. Those pictures I have posted are in game shots of two of the most anticapated games on Xbox 360, I am showing you these to give you an in game graphical image to prove what can be done with the 360 in the next year and I am not showing pointless FMV clips like Killzone 2 to demonstrate the games coming to the console.

Second in Resonse to [bold]anubis66[/bold]
1)Yes Microsoft did ship those few consoles to as many locations as possible to give a false illsuion of high demand. This is called buisness and happened with the PS2 and is happening now with the PS3 giving false video footage like Killzone2.
2)More games coming to the 360 are new games and not ports compared to the PS3. For example there are two pictures I have posted above of two awsome games coming to the 360 that are new and fresh. If you research on the 360 games and then research on the PS3 games I think you will find out for yourself.
3)The water cooling thing isnt what you think it is. I have read up on the 360 components on www.xbox.com. Its a new technique. You have a heat sink on the CPU's but sloted between the heat sink are panels filled with water. What happens is that the CPU's get very hot which then heats up the water to boiling point. The hot water travels up wards (as heat does) taking the heat away from the CPU and closer to the two fans for easier extraction and faster cooling.

 

what if the water breaks? and why would it boil? that is a hazard. the wanter cooling was a lame idea cuz if the console is at a bad angle it will improperly function and cause damage. my mos anticipated game right now is ut2007. tho i am pi$$es off that there is no bombing run!! i'll miss it... : (

 

Zelda, do you mind like making those images smaller? i dont like scrolling left and right. There to obig anyways, i think thers a picture size limit.

 

I wil sort those pictures out. its getting on my nerves this scrolling left to right. Moving onto the water cooling. I dont know if the water reaches boling point for sure but I would presume it does. Dont be stupid with it messing up. Its contained in metal coils muck lika a radiator. Its an intelligent idea. I garantee it will not mess up like you suggest it will, there are alot of PC's using the technology but in a differnt way which is more likely to leak than the 360 version.