same with me, im now at the point where i can afford these systems.i just truly dont think the ps3 route will be one that is worth the risk. Oblivion is slow as balls i'll give you that and so is topspin. Even still both game ssold pretty well. the 360 is doing what it has to now after that stumble at launch. selling alot of games and they look and play well for the most part,i havent played them all
By the time Ps3 somes out,if it comes out on schedule... the 360 will have so many solid titles of ever genre its not even funny. At the time they are only using one of its 3 cores, imagine when they figure it all out and game developers start utilizing the 360's power. All the hiccups people are complaining about(sony fans mostly) will be ironed out and sony will only be beggining their issues. Remember ps2 didnt have a squeaky clean launch, they were way understocked and a lot of customers couldnt get a system much like the xbox. Dvd drive in the systems was burning out and laser reader was dying out. Even to this day when they revamped the system and came out with the slim ps2 it had big problems. People like to forget what sony has done wrong and only bash MS. Just doesnt make too much sense to me,people say xbox isnt that good, but yet sony is borrowing ideas from xbox live and pretty much trying to do. everything MS did. Games are all that won it for the ps2, MS wont allow that to stop them this time.All this hype over the ps3 is going to make some sad fans when the real stuff is out.go look at screenshots for the ps3,not so great...just as good as the 360 in some games and worse for some in others.its a fact that with XNA on their side microsoft is easier to develop games for and the 360 will be rolling by the time ps3 even gets out of the gates. Cant wait til the ps3 comes out and all these people who talked the system up get theirs and feel like a bunch of idiots.u said it yourself, xbox had fewer games and only looked a little better, by the time ps3 is out if what u say is true and the ps3 looks better it will be the exact opposite of what happened last console battle.360 will look worse have more and better games out. I feel sont fans will stick to it no matter what happens,hope the whole blu-ray thing works out
but remember, most games on the xbox are on other systems, and to thread them in a way that the pc or ps3 could not use would be improbable. again, threads dont make the game looks better, but they can do well on physics and processing data. the ps3 dedicates a spe to every major aspect of a game or entertainment use, with some left to fill in the extra data to increase flow. it all depends on what you doing as to what will work/play/operate better.
companies want to make games on the system that will sell the most copies of their product and on a system that allows them to make the best game possibly in the most efficient ways. Ps3 is terribly inefficient at making games as least difficult as possible to develop
25% of the cell's power is used 2 power the linux OS. only 4% of the 360's processor is takes up by the windows OS. and u cant specify SPE's to parts of the games. all the code simply goes in and comes out, whatever part it is. developers find it hard enuf 2 code for it as it currently is, never mind all that stuff. like specifing it etc. and er, cmk0121. try to lighten up just a little bit.. youve got sum very good argument points thou. and anubis. if you want a PS3 get one. its all about choise. if u want one, get one. the consoles are for entertainement. if it will make you happy, get one . glad ur working 2. welcum 2 the world of having $$$ or £££. its gud. lol. dont let any1 put u off getting a PS3 if u want 1. al we do is just talk about stuff to do with em, n their differences etc. dont take it 2 heart. its just a discussion..
i think both consoles are great, i believe that ps3 has more bonuses, like blue ray and blue tooth, but those are just extras, as for actual power of the console, it seems every week i read something new which makes the xbox 360 sound better than the ps3, like unified shader which although i new about a long time ago i just read that project offset works best with unified shader and that nvidea are going to be using it next year which obviously means that it must be an important factor for next gen. oh and then there is the os, like thruthamn said, i mean whats the point in having this oh so powerfull cell if it is only going to be 75%. it just sees like sony have put loads of really good stuff into the ps3, but have not put it together very well so that it uses the full potential. but having said that i must say that sony know what they are doing, they already have a fanbase of 100 million and by putting a whole load of great stuff like linex and blue ray, the old fanbase which is already loyal to sony will go straight for it without thinking.
to the c-something guy with numbers, some devs said its hard to start on. keep in mind this was from the early dev kits wih little middleware. its been just as easy to program for the ps3 as anything else lately, even easier than the ps2. to truthman, wow you really dont know your stats do you? if you notice, each spe is basically its own 128-bit processor under command from the big guy (ppe)
and again, the ps3 is not out, so anything you hear about the 360 will sound good since what much do you know of the ps3 yet? also, the os will not run 24/7, only when you boot to it. even so, the cell is a powerful processor, and evgen more so, the processor is being used less and less for gaming (there is going to be an new thing to take place of the processor for gaming but i cant remember what its called) does the 360 even run windows? if so how?
anubis you said "so anything you hear about the 360 will sound good since what much do you know of the ps3" but thats the thing, with the xbox 360 already released and rushed games like call of duty 2 and pdz being compared to games like the mgs4 trailer whcih was shown. so technically it has been pretty harsh on the xbox 360 so far. oh and i am not sure about this but i read somewhere that the ps3 os will be the main backdrop and that it will be as the main page in which you can then spawn off to other things, messaging, games, etc. i also read that at e3 they are going to have one exhibition where the developer from gears of war, mas4 and red steel will show off their work . its cool the way they are taking the best developers form each conosle and pitting them in the same room.
so to the guy who said its just as easy to develop games for and put the garbage chart up, i like how sony even said its hard to make games for but ur disagreeing with them, thats kinda ridiclous. Never seen something like that, guess u got the inside track huh?
again, sony's statement was befor a majority of the middleware. i know someone from midway chicago that says it was a bit dificult at first but not bad, and as the middleware was added to each release of the dev kits, programming got easier and easier. and at e3, i heard there are high chances of playable ps3 prototypes, but only to a few people in the media depot. your average joe may have no chance to play.
Thank you Anubis for bringing up the stream processing. As far as I know, when the Cell is stream processing it outperforms the 360, even if all threads & cores are being utilized. And isn't development cost and difficulty an issue with virtually every console war?
oh and i just heard that Lucent Tech has filed a lawsuit against the 360 involving mpeg-2 decoding which, if Lucent wins, could halt 360 production and force the models on shelves to be pulled, along with millions in compensation to Lucent. if that is the case, at the time of the end of the case, there will be no more 360 for like 2 or 3 months, and then so in extremely low quantities. it will hurt the 360 severley to the point it may completely lose the next gen battle. http://www.ps3portal.com/xbox360/article/355.html and i also read about a 200 gb bluray disk being tested at the moment. talk about outperforing hd-dvd here. imagine fully uncompressed videos at 1080p
omg did you even read that yourself? fact yea xbox was more powerful fact xbox had faster loading times fact xbox had a more expensive online gaming. doesnt mean shite, cause all of the above didnt help ms beat sony so which one actually matters... the one you pointed out which is that sony had good games... which means errrm it wasnt overshadowed.. p.s. fact ps2 wasnt a poor system, xbox was just better graphically. xbox has a few good games, ps2 had more and better games... product reliability? are you serious? is ms excelling in that? or maybe you just havent read up on whats going on with 360. and umm.. ill bet all your marbles that ps3 will still outsell 360 in the us since you guys keep crying that sony only wins cause of japan. ps3 will outsell xbox in the us, guarenteed. and we're talkin just teh us, and japan will add the overkill lol.
well said, i pretty much agree. and with this new lawsuit against ms the 360 may get pulled off shelves for patent infringement. then it will be several months before a legal system can be released, making ppl warey of the 360 and unsure about it, and allow the ps3 a nice jump ahead, so nice it will dominate the xbox more than any console was dominated before.
hay guys your talkng about the ps3v xbox 360 well im talking about the ps2 v the xox 360. sony fans still think that the ps2 if faster and better then an xbox 360 (i really dunno why, they have no brain?). if you wanna talk about it go on my thread http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/332204.
joeva, my point is sony fans turn their heads to all the things that seem to go on. all bashing to MS for the overheating issues but sony fans arent paying attention to all the problems they have had its just crazy. Yet again sony does not have that many more killer title thatn MS. Xbox live is amazing but i guess your right it is expensive, but ur ready to go spend a extra 100 atleast on the ps3 so yet again that makes a whole lot of sense to complain about price when it comes to quality. Truthman is right i guess, buy what u want if it makes you happy.I shouldnt try to disuede you not to get it, just dont understand the tech aspect of the argument. U say something tech like and say it with such certainty just like onther sony fans then someone comes right back for MS and completely contradicts you citing they crudentials its all just nonsense, argue what everyone knows or put it laymans terms.people complain about price issues of MS but will spend it on sony, i just feel sony fans have poor arguments/discussions
