Quick question DVD+R DL

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  1. KingWill7

    KingWill7 Member

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    I'm copying some of my DVD to Memorex DVD+R DL dvds and trying to get them to play on my 360. Heres how it went down.

    I copy my first 2 and it works perfectly.

    I proceed to copy some more without trying them. I try them later and 2 of the 12 I just copied works. Some come up with mixed media errors the others the system won't even recognize the disk.

    Does Memorex just suck that bad? I heard use Verbatum.

    But anyone have any answers as to why?
     
  2. mattym123

    mattym123 Regular member

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    Hi,

    What program do you use to copy and burn your movies, Memorex should be fine, people say 'Verbatim' is the best, this may be true but ive used TDK, for movies and games, and ive never had a problem.

    Thanks

    Matt
     
  3. IHoe

    IHoe Senior member

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    what you're talking about is compatibility and quality.... this is a known issue for DVD burning. and what you heard about Verbatum is correct when it comes to DL disks!

    Quality: different manufactures have different standards of making their disks and passing them off as high quality product. so be aware that there are plenty of manufacturers out there that don't care anything but their bottom line: Money! here is a decent media guide that answers the question of quality:
    http://www.digitalfaq.com/reviews/dvd-media.htm
    if you're going to buy media then buy the best to suit your needs.. I use Taiyo Yuden.... or Verbatim if it's DL disks.

    Compatibility
    : most people think that compatibility is the same as quality.... it's not. What will play on one drive/player might not play on another. if the disk is of high quality it still can have a compatibility problem. And this is a matter of opinion. I know the quality of Taiyo Yuden and Verbatim .... and from experience I found these disks are the most compatible with mostly all DVD players/recorders. I disagree with TDK standings in the media guide. but that's just my opinion... every one has them.

    good luck. use better media and see if you still have a problem..... if you still have problem.... then it's a burning problem! but
    that's a media problem!
     
  4. JoeRyan

    JoeRyan Active member

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    DL media are difficult to manufacture and to use. The results you get from recording onto a DL disc depend on many factors, particularly your DL drive and its ability to record new 8X DL discs. The original DL discs, developed by Verbatim/Mitsubishi, used a photopolymer stamper to impress the tracking grooves onto the middle layer of a DL disc. This was tricky and wasteful: tricky because the method has to avoid getting any debris between the stamper and the layer as well as avoiding bubbles (It took Verbatim nearly a year to figure out how to get the bubbles out.); wasteful because once the photopolymer stamper is cured by ultraviolet beam, it is thrown out. This original method is known as the "2P" method--PhotoPolymer.

    No one has been happy with the cost of DL discs, including the factories whose yields have been pitiful and who have to discard or regrind the 2P layers. Richoh developed a different method whereby the outer layer of the DL disc has its tracking groove applied "upside down" before the disc is assembled. This method, known as "inverse stack," avoids the major problems with contamination, bubbles, low yields, and discarding materials. In general, Ritek/Ricoh DL discs rated at 8X or faster are "IS" discs. That would include Memorex and TDK. The problem is that older DL drives have problems with IS discs unless they have firmware updates to account for the slightly different type of grooves--and no one supports older drives because it's too expensive. Customers are supposed to buy newer drives on a regular basis in order to justify the low price. (In 1997 I sold five 6X CD-R drives to Sony for $22,000 each. Prices have dropped a bit since then, and speeds and features have increased a little also.)

    If your drive is an older DL drive, you may have to upgrade to another, newer DL drive. If Verbatim is still sourcing their DL media from a factory using the 2P method, the market will force them to switch to the IS method just as it has forced them to source from Moser Bayer in New Delhi.
     
  5. k00ka

    k00ka Regular member

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    Most users(including myself) recommend DVD+R DL Verbies b/c they are highly reliable..
     

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