Radio Shack ---Accurian ADR-3223 Recorder

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  1. Skeetz

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    I am looking for info for the Radio Shack- -Accurian ADR-3223 Recorder. I bought it about a year ago and never tried to copy HDD to DVD before. The HDD works great, but I have been trying to copy HDD to DVD and keep getting a window with:
    "The function you specified is not supported due to the mismatch of the disc format."
    The program was recorded in SP. I was trying to copy it to a Sony DVD+RW, which should be good for 120 minutes.
    I have split the Title to under 2 hours.
    I have tried to copy progams that where only a 1/2 hour to start with with the same result.
    Has anyone else run into this or know what may be the problem ? ?

    The other thing has anyone found a way to erase individual chapters without turning them into titles; erasing what you do not want and then merging things back together again ? ?

    If anyone has any helpful info, it would be greatly appreciated.
    I have looked through a previous thread and found nothing about either problem.
    Thank you.
     
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    Are you sure the +RW disk is fully erased’ and recognized as so or when using erase in tools as a blank and it formats it.

    While the program on the HDD is in SP. Make sure the program ON the HDD you want to copy is not longer than some 2hr . The disk can fit about 2 hr and 4min but for now go 2 hr You indicated so but make sure

    For Now use a NEW +R disk for the copy A problem +RW disk can be delt with later. The post does not indicate a burner issue

    Split Merge
    There is no way to erase individual chaptesrs

    EXAMPLE
    A Program 1hr long with a 5min commercial after 10 min.
    Split at 10m and again at 15min. You will have Title 1 [10 min] Title 2 [5 min]
    Title 3 [[45 min.]

    2 is the commercial and can be erased
    1 and 3 are the program Merge 3 to 1 and have 1 5 min program
    Be sure you highlight 1 and merge 3 to it


    EDIT
    In above It should be - [and have 1 55min program]
     
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  3. Skeetz

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    Thank you for the comeback LCShg.

    I had tried 2 brand new +RW discs right out of the Sony box with the same results. Like I said above, because I thought I might be cutting the time too close on what I was splitting, I also tried a completely different program that was only 1/2 hour long and it still gave the same report.
    Since the report mentions a mismatch of the format, does the 3223 burner format the disc on its own when it first gets loaded into the tray? It did seem to have a few seconds of action when I first loaded it.
    Or do I have to do some preformatting in my PC burner to make it work ?
    I do not have any +R's yet, but I will take your suggestion and get and try some of them. Have you found any particular disc's to give any better or worse results than others ? I had seen elsewhere too, that the R's were not as flaky as the RW's, but I got the RW's so I could reuse them.
     
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    Any disk will go through a format process. In tools if you select erase this will erase and format a disk or the HDD A liteon unit does take longer than most in startup and fomat

    RW disks can be a problem if the burner is defective and or un-reliable. As you used new disks they should be recognized as blank and the unit should format them.
    I prefer the liteon units , but the original DDW burners did have there problems.

    My units all have rplaced PC drives and work fine [ ONE exception] These drives range from 4x to 16x and work the same, asin the unit it makes No Difference.
    I have used many different mfg disks from 2x to 16x [Verbatim. Maxell, Memorex, TY CMC TDK etc]. and not had problems if the drives were ok including the original DDW drives.
    The RW disks used are Verbatim +RW as I have quite a few. I feel A used RW disk is not handled correctly But you say the disks were NEW and not used prior or erased
    No preformatted is needed and may be detrimental especially an RW
    In tools ERASE the entire disk this should also format it, and try it

    The fact you csn use the HDD would indicate the DVD drive is recognized. You may feel the RW disk is clean but it may not be or the drive thinks it isn’t. At this point it sounds as the DVD drive is having problems

    A Note [Exception]
    One ilo RHD04 unit with a replaced liteon PC 1693s drive, Which is little used has developed a number of problems in burning and handleing a RW disk only. all others are ok I installed a NEW liteon 1693s and it works fine on all disks Al others are used very often and no problems for well over a year

    The 3223 cannot be hacked and is compliant. As such CP will be in effect. The fact it has a HDD is a big plus. Try a + or –R disk to check the drive for these disks

     
  5. Skeetz

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    Thank you for the input LCSHG.

    I worked on it over the weekend by erasing the DVD+RW disc. You were right on, it finally recognized the disc and I was able to copy a 1hr:55min program onto the DVD.
    When I played it back though, it seemed to start to stick/hangup/jump?? near the end.
    Any ideas on why it would hangup?
    Is it normal to take about a half hour to burn a 2hr program from the HDD to DVD+RW?
    I also tried it in my Dell XPS410. It played back fine for the first 32 min., but then hung up. The drive kept working and it finally continued playing, but then hung up again. It seemed to be doing something like it did in the 3223, but much earlier.
    I have not finalized the disc, could that produce symptoms like I have seen ? ?
    Can the RW be reopened, for editing, after it has been finalized ? ?
     
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    An +RW disk does Not Require to be Finalized and Should not be;

    A number of posts speak to Slow and High speed I feel Slow is Real time [ 1x ] and High is 4x in copy. In the Accurian 30 min is about 4x.
    My liteon ilo units take about 20 to 30 min in copyang finalize a + or – R [also 4x]

    The XPS410 may have problems with a +RW disk But make sure the burner software properly handles a RW disk

    But again Fully erase the disk in a PC but do Not Format it [Let the 3223 do that] in Tools using erase

    It may well be that the Accurian is not properly burning the disk and is beginning to fail.
    A +RW disk can be a real pain and from time to time I have had a stutter or hiccup and continue on . This does not bother me at the time and a reason I record only to the HDD and not erase until I’m sure it not a keeper. If it is I copy to a +/- R disk as the program on the HDD is OK
    If you can play the HDD . I would think there would not be any glitch.

    MY quote from above
    “One ilo RHD04 unit with a replaced liteon PC 1693s drive, Which is little used has developed a number of problems in burning and handleing a RW disk only. all others are ok I installed a NEW liteon 1693s and it works fine on all disks Al others are used very often and no problems for well over a year”

    In fact this unit NOW, will give nothing but problems and hang when using +RW disks

     
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    Thank you again for the inputs LCSHG.

    I have just run across another thing that I thought should be easy, but I can not find it in the manual.
    I wanted to copy a 4.5 hour SP Mode DVR to a DVD-R SLP Mode.
    I get the message:
    "The function you specified is not supported due to some limitations. Please split the title and try again."

    SLP should be good for 6 hours per DVD.
    Ok, so it does not like to change mode times in copy DVR to DVD, but I was looking for play DVR to record DVD. It looks like I would need a separate DVR or DVD recorder to make that type of copy.
    Would you have any thoughts on this ?
    I was able to copy a 2.5 hour LP DVR to that same DVD that was set-up for SLP. The DVD browser screen shows the 2.5 hour LP with a 1hr 07 min. empty, which sounds like you can possibly have different modes on the same DVD.
    I just added a 3 min. SP DVR to it and now have 59 min. of empty on the DVD. So setting the mode on the DVD really does not mean anything the way it seems.
     
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    The Accurian 3223 --- [liteon clone]

    The mode selected [HQ to SLP] at setup is for recording It does not setup a disk for that capacity.
    A recording to the HDD can be made to the HDD at any mode, from HQ to SLP

    However if a recording o4 4.5 hours is made to the HDD at SP, that recording will not fit on a disk. SP is a 2hr mode and you will get that message.
    An operator must be careful when recording to the HDD, to record in a selected mode that it will fit in a disk space that is adequate for it

    Using the 3223 only, An option would be to split the title into 3 titles. and record each to three disks Than with the unit set to SLP record each to the HDD Than merge all three into one SLP recording. It should, than fit onto one disk with Copy.

    The 2.5 hr recording at LP is within the 3 hr LP mode and should copy with an empty space.
    Given the size of that space, I should think the unit was set at SLP The unit will indicate the space available on the disk for the Mode set. If the mode set, was for LP the free space would be some 30 min

    You could record at different modes as long as the free space was adequate for the selected mode.


    You could use another recorder set at SLP [5 or 6 hr[ and record the SP 4,5 hr program from the 3223 HDD
    You would than have a disk at SLP

    I hope I got the question correct
    You would not be the only and last operator, that got themselves into this problem.
     
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    Thank you again for your inputs LCSHG.
    I seem to be running into things which I do not find in the 3223 manual.
    I have a lot of VHS & VHS-C tapes that I want to convert to digital. I am using the AV1 inputs on the front of the 3223. Since a lot of the VHS-C's, especially, are made up of short bits and pieces, I wanted to automatically insert chapter marks every 10 minutes to facilitate editing.
    The problem I seem to have is the 3223 wants to stop recording after 30 minutes, when I automatically want to insert chapter marks. When I turn the auto-insertion OFF, no problem, it will record for hours.

    One thing I have noticed, the banner at the top of the screen for the recording video shows the: [elapsed time/0:30:00(OTR)].
    Do you have any idea what the OTR is or stands for?
    I think this may be my problem, if so, do you have any idea where I can access it to remove or change it? I have been unable to find a clue in the 3223 manual.
     
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    I have an older Liteon standalone recorder (they make Accurian). If I remember correctly OTR stands for "on the run" recording much like many old VCR's had also. Push the button once for 30 minute recording and each additional button push adds 30 more minutes of recording time. Most won't add chapters under an hour total time. I converted all (many) of my old VHS NFL game tapes using a similar method.
     
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    Skeetz

    The 3223 is basically a liteon 5045 with a 80gb HDD. BUT It can not be hacked at this time and is compliant with CP.

    OTR to liteon is [One Touch Recording}
    First push displays the full recording time available at the mode selected
    Second displays 30 min recording
    Third displays 60 min.
    So on in 30 min, increments to some 6 hr than the operator should be avail to increase the OTR time or use the timer.

    The Auto chapter insertion either on or off should make no difference to the units operation
    Chapter mark time is set in SETUP and is 5 min intervals. 5 min. To 30 min.

    In edit a chapter can be inserted or deleated
    The manual is not the best but does cover these issues

    NOTE
    The unit is sensitive to remote commands.
    Any press should be ONE QUICK press.
    If held to long the unit will most likely see this as multiple commands and perform an order multiple times and give a result not wanted

    Also the ilo 04 series [WalMart] is a liteon. But +R/RW only.
    [NOT THE WalMart 05 series]

    Beside a number of liteon/ilo units I have a Accurian 3223
    The same remote will operate the Accurian 3223, ilo RHD04 and liteon 5045
     
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    Thanks LCSHG. Tons better than my post.
     
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    Thanks
    OTR can have a different meaning to various units so you may very well be right


    A comment I made
    “So on in 30 min, increments to some 6 hr than the operator should be avail to increase the OTR time or use the timer”

    This could very well be seen as the timer could be used when the unit was in OTR recording ---[My Error]
    Most often the program to be recorded has already started and its to late for a timer setup.

    Manuals in general are not perfect. All to often a manual makes sense to the writer but not to the operator.

    Its like an index one person may not see it the same as another person.
    As in my comment It was clear to me but may not be to others.

     

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