should i get a viper extreme or qoob sx?

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  1. ninjapath

    ninjapath Regular member

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    i heard the viper extreme had the feature cheat code to enable cheats during play, if this is true does that mean i don't have to buy a action replay? for the qoob sx which is a lots cheaper, and doesn't have the cheat feature, so what i'm thinking is to get a action replay, but i heard that action replay doesn't work for the qoob sx, is this true?
     
  2. dg0896

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    viper definetly
     
  3. ninjapath

    ninjapath Regular member

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    yea i know the viper extreme is better, but about my question can the action replay be used for with the qoob sx?

    for the viper extreme, heard it was the easily modchip to rip games without the broadbrand adapter, can anyone tell me how to do it step by step? thanks.
     
  4. dg0896

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    ask KC he's Mister Know It All. I actually don't know.
     
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  5. Venom5880

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    Supposedly, Action Replay doesn't work with any of the mod chips. That's why ViperGC Extreme has it built in. qoob SX doesn't support Action Replay as far as I know. However, qoob Pro has a cheat engine built into it, but it requires an Action Replay to "activate" it first. So basically, borrow a friend's Action Replay or download one of the dumps that can be flash to qoob Pro and then proceed to run it if you choose to go that route.

    Right now, it's a toss up between ViperGC Extreme and the qoob Pro since Viper's BIOS doesn't support all of it's new features yet. In essence, ViperGC Extreme is a qoob Pro with the added ability to rip games with USB.

    Couldn't tell you exactly how to rip using the USB, but I believe it involves connecting the USB to the computer and running the Viper USB ripper utility on their site.
     
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    ninjapath Regular member

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    ok, for the viper extreme chip that had the cheat thing. So all i have to do is put the code letters in it and that set or do i have to do more? and i can get the code from action replay site? thanks, any info would be great.
     
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    Based on the BIOS features list of the ViperGC Extreme, I'd say you've got the right idea.

    BIOS Features

    - Direct boot of all media, without swapping!
    - Automatic Media Detection: Insert disc, turn on GC and play!
    - Supports all regions PAL / USA / JAP
    - Play originals or backups from any region, thanks to the built-in -- region-free feature
    - Built-in Audio Fix, that could be Enabled/Disabled in the Config
    - Menu for full backward compatibility with your old backups.
    - Fully compatible with multi-disc games
    - Unique MultiBoot feature: put several games on one single disc!
    - Cobra Plug-in System: (MP3 Player, Network loader, etc.)
    - Disc Explorer to browse the content of original GC discs or DVDs and that allows you:
    * To flash your Viper GC by burning the flash file on a DVD
    * To execute homebrew programs from DVD
    * To play music (ADPCM files aligned on a 32kb boundary)
    * To run the game you want from a MultiBoot compilation
    * To load cheat codes from disc into Viper GC Memory
    * To load a cobra plug-in from disc into Viper GC Memory
    - Backup Tool of original GC discs using the USB connection
    - Remote Execution of DOL files using the USB connection
    - BIOS Configuration stored into the Viper GC Flash
    - Selectable default boot action (Main menu, Boot disc, Original BIOS,
    - Disc Explorer) and special boot action (when the X key is held)
    - Calls Original BIOS Game Loader for 100% compatibility
    - Supports all hardware revisions (including DOL-101 and Panasonic Q)
    - Idle-bug free
    - User-Friendly GUI
    - Powerful Cheat Code System compatible with Action Replay codes, codes are stored in the Viper GC Flash so no memory card is needed!Cheat codes can be either entered using Cobra Menus or loaded from a file using the Disc Explorer
    - A Swap disc option was left in (called "Change Disc" as you could also replace a backup with another backup) to be totally backward compatible.
     
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    ninjapath Regular member

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    thanks venom, you've been very helpful. After all that features i'd think i'm going for the viper extreme. But have you ever try to flash the bio with a dvd before? because i e-mail the guy from modchipman.com to upgrade to the lastest bio(cobra 1.6 i think) for me since i'm thinking of getting a premodded gc from them, but they tell me it's illegal for them to do so, don't know why though. Anyway does the chip have it own bio once install or do i have to do it myself from the chip manufacture website? thanks.
     
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    My advice would be to download Cobra BIOS 1.6 and the USB flasher utility so you can flash it yourself. Don't bother trying to do it with a DVD since it's more trouble than it's worth, and using USB will save you a disc as well as time. Unfortunately, their site is down for construction, so you

    The chip will come preflashed, but it won't be able to play back-ups. The idea is, that premods can't be sold with the ability to play back-ups. That just how GC is handled I suppose, since Xbox is dealt with the same way.

    Here's a link to the USB Flasher and BIOS for that chip.
    http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=downloads&filter=ngc&categoryid=46

     
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    ok, first i need to download the viper flasher usb 1.0 right? ok download it open it with winrar,ok now which one should i click first? because in that folder there's an another folder called driver that had something called FTDIUNIN that seemed to unstall something from the gamecube, or should i just click viperflasherusb which seemed to install something with the option write or verify and leave the driver folder alone? and there's something they mentioned about a switch called dip switch 2 which need to turn off after the program is done, where does that located? when they say dip switch 2 does that mean there's 2 switches? do i need to open the gamecube? does that mean the dip switch is already on when my gamecube arrived? sorry i'm really a noob

    this may sound weirds but do i really need to flash it? couldn't i just install the cobra 1.6 without the flashing? cuz i don't want to mess up my gamecube lol
     
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    I myself don't own a ViperGC Extreme, since I use a qoob Pro instead. So I couldn't tell you how to use that flasher. It should have come with a read me of some sort anyway.

    If the installers do it right, the USB board should be on the bottom of your GC inside the serial port section. The dip switch you've heard about is located on that board as I recall. Basically, the dip switch enables/disables the ability to flash, and is meant as a protective measure to prevent inadvertantly flashing it.

    Also, installing a new BIOS on it is called flashing, so you aren't going to mess anything up unless something interrupts the data transfer, such as unplugging the cable while it's flashing or your computer freezing.
     
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    Here's what I'd do...well..what I did do:


    Pick up the Viper Extreme, connect the data cable, one end in the chip, one on the usb adapter. Make sure you have the cable in the right way. If for whatever reason, the viper utility is not picking up your cube, you either have the dip switches set wrong, or the cable is in the wrong way. At least that was the problem I had.

    Insert the USB adapter into the slot on the underside of the cube. Install the USB adapter driver for the cube. Start up the gamecube. When you first start it up, it will prompt you to update the bios, at this point. Connect the USB cable to your cube and to your computer. If you've installed the drivers it should pick it up. It may say something about the driver not being signed or something similar. Continue through that.

    After that, open up the flashing utility, select the bios file and go through that process. Doesn't take long at all and that should take care of the flashing.
     
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    I can´t get my usb connection to work. Dunno what to do. If I only are gonna flash my cube with a bios, is it enough to just connect the thin cable between the chip and the adapter and then the usb cable between the adapter and the PC? I did that but viperflasher just says it can´t find any chip in my GC. Installed the drivers so that shouldn´t be a problem.

    Do I really have to connect the usb adapter to the serial port under the GC? Isn´t that just when I should backup?

    Plz help :p

    I did flash my GC with a bios through a dvd so the chip works like a charm but I like to get the usb thing to work also.
     
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    I'm sure you made sure the switches on the chip are set to off?

    Have you tried putting the thin strip between the chip and adapter in both ways? I put mine in the wrong way at first...
     
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    should both switches be set to off? I thought a read somewhere that switch 2 should be set to on...? Well I try that.. tnx

    And the thin cable is looking different on both sides. It has like one connection side and one plastic side. I connected it so the connecting side were turning downwards against the chip and adapter. Is that right? Cuz I think I saw some conenctionarea on the chip and adapter so I made both connectionareas to connect (chip-cable-adapter). Sry for bad english but I don´t know how to explane.

    And I don´t have to plug the adapter into the serial port just to flash?

    Another thing... are there switches on the chip? I thought it just were switches on the adapter...?
     
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    Should have been more clear...I'm almost 100% sure the switches on the adapter need to be switched to off. You are correct, there are no switches on the chip itself..., also, I don't believe you need to have it plugged into the serial port for flashing.
     
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    Can you play Movie DVDs with the Viper-Extreme?
     
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    Sure.

    As long as it's installed in a Panasonic Q, it will.
     
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    SO Venom... In your list, you make mention of playing from a disc with multiple games on 1 disc. Excuse my ignorance, but could you explain or direct me to how I go about making discs like that?

    So far every backup I have made has been an ISO, so the disc gets finished and well, you get the idea.

    COuld you please explain further?

     
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    Get Viper Multiboot ISO Creator.

    Just run it, add GC ISO files to it, and have it create a single ISO bootable with Viper, Qoob, and GCoS. It may work with XenoGC and other mods, but I don't know for sure.
     

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