I am getting so discouraged. I notice there arent alot of 321 fans here on these forums and I see all you fine people having such great luck with DVD Shrink, DVD Decrypter and Nero but... I can't get it to work for me =( I have used all the guides but am still not having anyluck. With DvdxCopy I just clicked and within 30-40 mins I had a nice backup and used the 321 gone to get rid of the watermark. I trying to get it right but I admit I'm impatient with the time it takes. And then after all that...it stil turns into a frisbee. Here is the routine I have been doing. 1. Use DVD Shrink (latest version) I click "full Disk" and then "open disk" I deselect foreign languages and then Select "backup" thst process takes 30-40 mins alone. 2. I then use DVD Decrypter, choose my source file and then let it do that thing it does which takes yet another 30 minutes. 3. Finally I use nero to back-up the copy which takes 20-40 to burn so using the low end of the estimates it could take an hour in a half to complete 1 backup. Is this a typical time frame?? Im getting so discouraged I am ready to toss in the towel.