I have been reading some of the threads and been chatting with a coworker who also backs up DVDS and I have noticed something. We both use DVDShrink, and he had no problem backing up The Forgotten while I had to use DVDDecrypter. I had no problem using Shrink to backup AVP but I had to tell him about decrypter. Has anybody else run across the same issue/finding. I'm wondering if the protection is only put on a certain number of DVD's.