The whole point of the safety valve...

ive noticed that there are an awful lot of incredibly fast thread closures lately.... and i have no doubt that this thread wont last very long either

so what exactly is the point of the safety valve if you cant talk about anything that you want and discuss it... whether it concerns how somebody died or how much pot someone smokes... this is the only place on the forum that supposedly allows this...

not that i wish to be offensive but

whats goin on trigger happy mods?

 

Your question was directed at the Mods but I decided to add my $0.02. Since you seem to be an advocate of "free" speech, you ought not to mind my 'interference'. First off, within any community there has to be rules by which persons are governed in order to avoid anarchy. If you believe that anything in life is "truly free", which in this case refers to free speech, then I do believe that you're naive. In all of civilization as we know it, several empires have succumbed to their own undoing because of lawlessness and the desires of individuals superceding that of their fellowman. Don't get me wrong I'm not an advocate of totalitarianism but without enforced rules( the operative word being enforced) there would be mayhem and destruction of any community and in this case I mean Afterdawn. Now any system which is governed by humans cannot be infallible and so there might be instances in which overzealousness on the part of individual/s entrusted with governing such a community/group result in indiscretion & mistakes but this by no means constitutes the rule and is certainly not the case here at AD. You have been critical of the Mods but have you for once put yourself in their 'virtual shoes' and take a more panoramic look at this community lately. You would be amazed at the existence of threads which dare I say, are pointless. I said 'existence' instead of 'upsurge' since my 'sojourn' here does not avail me with the knowledge to make an informed and realistic assessment of this problem. So even though a post may not be offensive it may be perceived as useless by the Mods et al, and was obviously posted with very little regard for the AD community.(Please note that I have exercised restraint in casting aspersions about the thought process of any person who has created such a thread). When was the last time you reported an offensive post or PM someone and suggested that they alter their post. It is this kind of apathy & subversive behaviour that will lead to the demise of this community. There's an old proverb which goes like this......"There's none so blind as those who will not see". I'm not saying that you should get back on your soap box and laud the Mods with praise. But why post something which is sardonic & deconstructive(not to be confused with destructive). Someone has to perform the unenviable & undesirable task of procuring the longitivity of this community. Their decision/s will invariably be occasionally unpopular but nonetheless necessary. Or else, guess what?, you wouldn't have the opportunity to make a post such as this:

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This topic was aproached in an earlier thread. There have been around 20 closed thread so far in safety valve this year (11 days) And after a little check that is more than what was closed in the previous 2 months (19 from the whole of november and december)

I know it gets on the mods tits when people

A) Talk Crap
B) Repeat threads
C) Talk about controversial things

I understand some subjects that are racist, upsetting, demeaning or controversial go to far and have to be closed. But there are subjects that some people are not interested in, but it dont mean everyone else is not.

"How JFK/Bruce Lee Died" threads both have had wild theories thrown around over the years and could make interesting reading. The comment "go to the library and look it up" a little harsh. In that case when someone posts "My computer wont boot" I should say "Take it to a computer shop and stop asking us" Easy yes but sort of defeats the point of the interesting discussions they have on hear.

Another example of a topic "Whats your favourite sig" I am not really interested and really it is pointless. But no more pointless than the others that have been closed.

I thought thats what safety valve was about that you could talk about anything and everything.

 

Let's look at the forum description:

 

And to think that I had to pay a membership fee to be on here at aD!!!

Oh wait, I forgot, it's free isn't it?!?!?!? <G>

Rules and laws are determined by the administration and the designated individuals it grants limited powers to, such as closing threads and deactivating accounts.

It’s not a free world...
[bold]It’s an Afterdawn world that’s FREE! [/bold]

 

the whole point of the safety valve is to talk about anything whether its controversial or not.i didnt even get a chance to add me theories to the JFK thread as it was already closed when i saw it.i dont agree thats all topics are kid friendly like the one about pot which i started but then again ive seen kids as young as 4 smoking pot heavily on a daily basis.the maqin points of the safety valve is to tell the world how you feel or get some feedback and opinions on things you agree or disagree with.i think the mods are being too trigger happy on some of these threads.freedom of speech is a myth it exist but there are no laws to enforce it.if you know what slandering is then you will know there is no freedom of speech.

 

i made up a thread so this problem would not happen..
i am sure ye seen it..
all i ask keep ye is keep ye posts civil.................



This Thead Is To post Any Thing Ye Want, Any Subject matter,Please Read My First Post
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/281991

 

Brings to mind "Lord of the Flies".

 

DVDBack23 thank you for the compliment and ScubaBud that was not only concise but quite precise.

@Xsilver et al
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I know that there have been a plethora of controversial topics which have been discussed here and I'd be more than happy to provide you with evidence but in the interest of not being superfluous I'll omit identifying them at this time.

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"How JFK/Bruce Lee Died" threads both have had wild theories thrown around over the years and could make interesting reading. The comment "go to the library and look it up" a little harsh. In that case when someone posts "My computer wont boot" I should say "Take it to a computer shop and stop asking us" Easy yes but sort of defeats the point of the interesting discussions they have on hear.[/bold]

When you put it like that, then I have to agree and even though I may not embrace your point of view that is a pretty good point that you have made. Having said that though if you know that 2 similar previous posts have drawn the ire of the Mods then why make the post and [bold]phrase it in the same way as the first 2[/bold]. That in my opinion is being defiant and provocative more than really being constructively inquisitive. Using your statistics it means that they got it 90% right(ie 18/20). 10% failure rate is commendable even in the Medical fraternity for surgical procedures and medical therapy. The point is if they never had a failure rate then they would either be completely neglecting their job in which case they would let everything go and there would be anarchy OR they would be partially negligent and because of their minimalist approach there would be less cases of threads being closed and so even though they are apparently close to 100% effectiveness, in reality again a significant number of threads would be escaping their radar and so again would lead inevitably to degeneration of this site. If you are familiar with statistics, then you'll understand that any screening test will have an accompanying false positive rate. If this was applied to this scenario then the false positives refer to the threads which are thought to be pointless and closed when infact they are not. Now let me put it in perspective. Do you think that everytime a woman buys a pregnancy test kit from the pharmacy and does her own test at home or even if the same test is done in the doctor's office and it shows a positive result, that means that she is in fact pregnant?. The answer is no, BUT it is sensitive and so will be correct maybe between 95-100% of the time depending on when its done. So about 1-5% of the time people are false positive, ie their test is positive but they are not pregnant and this is acceptable to the FDA and the Medical Fraternity at large. So an approximately 10% false positive by the Mods is certainly nothing to frown at. In fact I dare say that it's commendable.

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Where do I begin. Again we have to be governed by past occurrences and statistics. You will admit that some people have a pattern of questionable posts and so they will be more highly censured. I agree that there are topics which though edifying are a faux pas and for this reason when they are raised they are closed abruptly and appropriately so. I could engage in a healthy discussion about slavery, apartheid, the holocaust, the genocide in Darfur, 911, etc without saying one inflammatory word to evoke the wrath of anyone but how many people will exercise that restraint and not be moved by their emotions to speak from their heart. These are highly charged topics which represent so much more than a thread title and so people can't be frivolous with these issues.
It's an imperfect world and there is no utopia, but in order to preserve the little neck of the woods that we consider paradise, tough decisions have to be made and people have to be aware that the Safety Valve, despite the disclaimer attached to it, is by no means a cauldron for thoughtless refuse.

 

I, for one, am in complete agreeance with Creaky, far too many members hide themselves in these forums instead of offering assistance in other forums.
It was several months before I visited this forum and I hardly recognised any names from other forums.
Have a chat if you wish but try checking out and assisting in other forums.
Onya Creaky!!!
BTW, I took quite some time to one finger type an article about piracy in the News Comments Forum, only 2 people have read it in 24hours, yet you find this dribble interesting.
How many of you have even left this forum?

 

i think we should leave the moderators alone and let them do their jobs...
in the shadow of what DVDBack23 and JamzBond said, i think the moderators are doing a DAMN fine job at keeping this site in order, i think that they make correct decisions to keep the forums clean and spam free, i enjoy this site very much cause unlike other forums, things are kept in order, there is no crap to sift through to get the info you are looking for and some topics are just in fact pointless and should be kept from the safety forum...

just adding my 2cents...

 

god i missed the pot thread....geez we could of been telling smoking jokes but if you guys want to relieve those stories go here...


http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/114516

this threads been going strong since 0ct 2004

 

yes i remember that, it plagued my inbox for a couple of months, just like the amd VS intel one is doing now... shame on me for posting to to popular threads...

andmerr check your pm inbox here...

 

hey lethal its quite a conundrum 1st he says he doesnt want to be offensive

but then he spoils it with

so which is it are you trying to be or trying not to be,[bold] that is the question[/bold]