hey how's it going everyone.. well the problem was that a while ago i bought this Ultimate Collection Disc that came w/ slim kit V12 & slide card. so i got it gave it a shot and when i got everything correct my PS2 would not read any backup games and eventually stop spinning and working. so i asked around the site and some people had the same problem. I ended up giving up on the DVD BACKUP and bought a new PS2 v13. I read the other night about connecting a USB HD to it and read into it and noticed i had the proper stuff on my disc since it was a collection of programs.. here's the list of the what the ultimate collection disc has # HD Loader 3.5 # HD Loader 7c # Swap Magic 3.6+ # HD Advance 3.0 # USB Extreme / Advance # COG Swap Loader # PS2 Loader # Magic Mem # Zone Free DVD 2005 # HDDump 0.8.1 # CDLoader so i went thru someone's guide on using USBEXTREME and went ahead and gave it a shot i used a 120 Maxtor HD n Formatted it w/ USBEXTREME into FAT32, Connected it to my PC and backed up a list of games and only a few worked.. here's the list! Silent Hill 2 - WORKED Silent Hill 3 - DID NOT WORK Silent Hill 4 - WORKED Burnout 2 - DID NOT WORK Sonic Mega Collection - WORKED Fatal Frame 3 - WORKED Killzone - DID NOT WORK Toca Race Driver 3 - DID NOT WORK Splinter Cell Pandora Tomorrow - DID NOT WORK Red Nina - End Of Honor - DID NOT WORK i read the list of the games that do and dont work.. i got one thats listed as not working to WORK!.. NOW THE QUESTION.. i seen people post about HD ADVANCE & HD LOADER.. now are those programs better than USBEXTREME? will my HD work with HD LOADER & HD ADVANCE?.. can the games i could not backup w/ USBEXTREME work with HD LOADER or ADVANCE?.. i would really appreciate the help.. i went and read many bullentins but they always lose me with other new ideas that dont work and people always post different results..!!