Wave 5 on it's way?

What version of the older firmware would work?

 

BenQ iXtreme 1.41 Rev 2 Non-Stealth.

There may be differences in security with older versions of firmware (aside from the non-stealth element) so while this is perfect for banned or voluntarily offline consoles, it's probably not the best choice if you're playing online, but then no current firmware is safe if you're playing online at the moment.

 

I'm not sure if I'm on right page...
can someone clarify how xbox is compatible with new "waves"?

in order to play new "wave" disc, you need new FW? or new xbox UPDATE?
added: can a banned xbox update? ^^;

 

"Waves" denote the different video partitions used on game discs. There are currently 5 different waves (including Left 4 Dead 2, which is the first wave 5 game).

Some firmwares have strict compliance with certain waves, so iXtreme 1.6 for example will only support waves 1-3 (other waves can be booted using the activate.iso disc). Older non-stealth firmwares don't have strict compliance with video waves so you can boot any game with those.

If your console is banned already and you want to use a firmware that can boot all games, then these are your best choices: -

BenQ - iXtreme 1.41 Rev 2 Non-Stealth
Hitachi - iXtreme 1.51
Samsung - Extreme 5.3
Lite-On - iXtreme 1.6 (will have to use activate.iso with any game that's not wave 1-3)

The firmware of a banned console can be updated (or downgraded in the case of some of the firmwares I just listed) just fine.

 

c4eva has stated that lite touch does not care for waves. and does not do stealth checks

 

A log that may or may not contain quotes from c4eva says that. It's already been discussed further up this page in fact.

 

thanks for quick reply. so you just need FW (or ISO) to play any game regardless of version of your xbox software?
i'm asking this because i read it in xbox-scene, someone posted that as new waves releases you would need new updates from xbox live.

wasn't this 17th mandatory xbox update due to new wave5 discs?

 

The November 17th dashboard update is to add new features - Last.fm, Facebook, Twitter etc. An unflashed 360 doesn't need updates to boot certain waves of disc. Some modified firmware used to play backups has strict compliance with certain video waves, so in that case you would need to upgrade the firmware to play new waves(or use the activate.iso disc), but that only affects copied games. Even if your 360 is flashed with a firmware that only supports wave 1-3, it will still boot original games regardless of the wave.

You only really need to update your firmware for 2 reasons: -

1. If a more secure version of the firmware is released.
2. If your firmware has strict compliance with video waves, then a new video wave comes out and a new firmware is released that adds support for the new wave.

Dashboard updates are contained within the video waves on waves 3-5, so you can stay (reasonably) up to date by updating from game discs if you're banned. A game disc that has a dashboard update on it will prompt you to update your dashboard if your current dashboard is older than the one on the disc.

 

Thanks dude!~! I just got banned recently, and I think I'll just downgrade my BenQ to that FW so I dont have to fuss with the activate.iso. Good info!

 

But what about those of us who have been flagged for ban as soon as we go on live again? Wont some of the new game disks have the Crl.bin in the video partition of the disk? That will ban our console without ever going on live. SO couldn't we just manually patch all the new games that are wave 5 with wave 4 video to get around the updates? I tried this with L4D 2 and patched it with the video from Dragon age origins and when I boot with 1.61 in my benq it did not prompt me to do the SystemUpdate 8507.

 

Left for dead 2's out? /Off to newzbin

 

They have a Crl.bin on the discs to ban consoles?

 

Doubtful cause if you arent letting your 360 connect to live you cant send any data back to ms for them to look at the 360 itself wont be able to analize the data to see if you should be banned or not.

 

Check this link
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=695729
They put SystemUpdates on the disks sometimes. Like Left 4Dead 2 has SystemUpdate 8507 on it.
This is why I asked about replacing the video partition on wave 5 disks with wave 4 cause that is where the Systemupdates are kept.

 

Yes, although the list in Crl.bin is a list of revoked consoles rather than banned consoles. The thing is, in this ban wave, people are being hit with the effects of revocation (gamertag corrupted when accessing it on another console for example), so it is possible that a future update on disc could contain a list of consoles banned, or flagged for a ban, in this ban wave and then just by updating, you would get hit with the negative side effects of a ban even though you kept your console offline. The list would be huge though, so whether it's feasible for them to place this on the disc remains to be seen. The current list in Crl.bin only has about 400 console IDs on it.

 

Im not sure how legal that is for them its one thing for them to ban you from live and then disable functions but to do it when your not using it online anymore is a toss up. But ms probly has it in their eula if they want to they can steal your house from under you and it be legal.

 

hmm this is a quite interesteing subject would ther not be a way to remove the crl.bin such as patching the game to an older wave?

 

I'm sure that the MS legal team can find some way to do it where it's "legal". I don't personally agree with it, I feel once you pay for something it's yours and you can do what you want to with it. If I wanted to put my 360 in a wood chipper I could, but I can't modify the firmware.

I have never had a gold membership, and have only gone on live to get title updates for games and a few demos. I checked the repair status thing though and got the 54420 error so I am sure I have been flagged. I don't want to loose the ability to install games to the hdd though. So that's why I suggested patching all future wave 5 games with wave 4 video. Cause if there are no new updates then no CRL.bin, no crl.bin no revocation. At least that's how I understand it.

 

That's a good idea. I was thinking the same thing myself. Of course this theorized update to the Crl.bin has yet to materialize.

 

True, but I figure it's only a matter of time. Better to be safe than sorry especially if you know you are flagged for revocation or ban.