WDM video Capture driver problem Geforce TI 4600

Hello fellows

I've been googling this problem for a while without any luck, i have seen other guys having similar problems.

Basically I cant activate the video capture with the Gainward Geforce 4 Ti 4600.

I have the VIVO cable with the yellow and a black connector. so black (s-video or composite) for input and yellow for tv out. The instalation of the drivers goes smoothly. Im using the latest nvidia drivers 81.95 and wdm drivers 2.26 vivo tv.

The funny part is that windows detects a tv tuner, and i dont seem to see any coaxial conection in the cable, so i really wonder what is that tv tuner thingy

I have: removed the devices and installed again, check the irq so that it is not sharing with any device (BIOS), loaded previous drivers versions. no luck

Basically the computer reboots everytime i try to capture video with wincoder using the composite video-in from the analog camcorder. then i get the message that windows recovered from a serious error, bla bla

what do you think?? sorry for the long story

yavimaya elder

AMD althon xp 2600+ 1.97Ghz
PCchips M848a (crappy motherboard i know) :haha:
1Gb DDR 400
Maxtor 120Gb 7200rpm 8mb
Gainward Geforce ti 4600 128mb
LG GSA-4120B
XP SP1
PSU 350W



cheers!

 

What makes you think your Gainward Geforce 4 Ti 4600 is a capture card?

 

basically the fact, that i have a VIVO cable, Video IN/Video OUT, that came with the card, and also the fact that in the manual they explain how to use the vivo cable and how to recognize which cables are used for inputs and which are used for output. I also can say that in the box came wincoder and winproducer cds, which i can use to capture, edit and encode video.

Now, managed to get some progress with this issue. I installed service pack 2 (i've been avoiding it for long, since i have had some problems with it), and now I succeded in capturing video with windows movie maker, this is probably a proof that the card is working. STILL when i open the wincoder it is like pressing the reset button. it did the same with windows movie make.... in windows movie maker i cant get sound from the line IN of the sound card... so problem not 100% solved...

thanks for the help

 

I would blame it on your motherboard or lack of good WDM drivers.
Try a google for WDM drivers. There are 3 or 4 generic sets on the web, that should work.
Check with Gainward and see if they have an updated driver.
Check with Nvidia for WDM drivers.

Try viewing with virtualdub, read this too: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Ring/9777/tvviewer.html

Just found this! ExperTV, free, designed specifically for your VIVO.
http://www.mtools.pl/index_e.html

 

Thanks rebootjim

I tried Expert TV and it behaves pretty much the same way as wincoder.

Now wincoder does not reboot the computer (well it does it ramdoly i think), when it loads it just shows black screen. It shows me the correct driver and correct input, but black screen. Expert TV does the same. I have played with the settings without any luck... microsoft uses another video capture approach that works (movie maker) but i am limited to wmv.

I have also reduced the screen refresh rate, but no help from that.

I keep thinking over here and all other suggestions are welcome. Thanks again

 

Sounds like you may be trying to use VMR 9, and it's not supported, or you don't have DirectX 9 installed.
See if you can set the software to VMR 7, or Overlay.

 

hmmm

i have directx version 9.0c(4.09.0000.0904) which is one of the newest.

I am not familiar with the VMR, and I did not find it in any options in the program... I googled a bit and i just found that it has something to do with the directx, still in the directx there wasnt anything related to the vmr

thanks

 

Your PVR software should allow you to choose.
There's a known bug in DX9c with "quartz.dll".
Google and download the quartz.dll from DX9b, overwrite the current one. This may help, as you're not the only one with these problems.

 

no luck

i found this quartz.dll version 6.5.1.902 and that replaced the one i was using before which was 6.5.2600.2180. It did not specified if the file i download was used with directx 8 or 9 or whichever version...

Anyway the change did not affect the system at all, well this time the bluescreen stayed instead of booting the whole computer, so it said beginning dump of physical memory nv4_mini.sys

Back to the overlay issue. the only place were they mention overlay is in the advanced options of windows media player. i played with that but no help. logical since i dont think wmp has anything to do with this...

I dont know what kind of approach microsoft is using that capture works, the driver is the same, i have checked the settings and they are the same, but the rest of the programs use the same methods since they all crash (wincoder, blaze media pro, expertv). so I cant believe they are all corrupted or wrongly installed.

 

I still think it's motherboard, or WDM problems.
If there's any hardware conflict (shared IRQ), or WDM isn't registering properly in Windows, anything can go wrong.
It's also possible you have a dead card.

 

Ok basically a dead card that works win windows movie maker only?, i doubt it..

I agree that might be the motherboard, so i can try to test the card in a another computer...

I had a Radeon 9200 before this card, and i remember that games crashed and also got computer rebooted everytime the 3d engine started. I tried with several catalyst sets and it didnt work.. The solution was the "holy" omega drivers. As far as I know those drivers uses a different approach than ati catalyst... the card now works perfect in another computer with the latest catalyst....

I might think in changing the motherboard, but with 64bits at the next block, i really dont know if it is intelligent just to change the motherboard, or to make a complete upgrade to 64... well that's another thing...

Thanks a lot jim... if any new clues, bring them up..

 

WMM uses it's own rather obscure codecs to capture, not necessarily any others you have on your system. Capturing to .wmv is possible.
The WDM drivers allow the card to use other software, and capture to avi, so there's a break in the chain somewhere between the card, it's drivers, and how the software accesses the card.
Depending on how important this is to you, I would format, load all motherboard chipset drivers, then the peripheral drivers (video, sound, capture), then one piece of capture software, and see if it works. Add your other programs after.
Something is conflicting badly within the current system.

 

I Have the exact same card. Gainward ti4600 VIVO. I suggest you update the gainward graphics card driver in device manager Instead of the windows WDM one. The file is called "win2k_xp_4230" available on the gainward site. Then istall the "wdm123" VIVO drivers and then upate to the latest detonator drivers. This should sort out the problem. However I wouldn't use the original software for capture as its well out of date now. Try WinDVR 3 or something instead. I would be glad if you could let me know if this works and also f you have the same green bar across the top of the capture window. Thanks.

 

Rob__Dean you are the man! hehehe

Your suggestion was ALMOST succesful, so here is what we got.

I did what you said, got the win2k_xp_4230 drivers, then i loaded the wdm123 driver set, and it worked!, i tried with both video-in ports and the capture was succesful... but then i loaded the latest drivers and we are back the old times ... well no bluescreen reset, but actually black screen with no picture..

I was a bit confused with the last part, DETONATOR drivers, are these a different set of drivers than the forceware avalaible at nvidia site?. I googled a bit for this and i found this detonator drivers set version 41.09... im using now the forceware 81.98... and the capturing does not work

and yes the green bar appears but only for the s-video when getting video from the Digital TV receiver, in the RCA i had the digital camera and there was no green bar... interesting...

Thanks a million, at least this proved that we are not talking about a dead card... we are almost there

cheers guys

 

yes i got it!

Basically the detonator set is the old driver set nvidia had before forceware...

so, hmmm, do i have any other choices than to rollback everytime i need to capture video, and come back to forceware when i need to play games?. I mean not all the games will complaint with old drivers, but F.E.A.R will for sure heheheh

thanks!

yavimaya

 

Hi,
I use a GeForce Ti4600 for games as well as capture. I esed the original drivers fro some years and only last month decided to upgrade the drivers. I tried the 56.72 forceware from nvidia. But when I tried capturing with virtualdub it did not work, so I installed the original capture drivers...and it worked fine. Today i tried upgrading to 81.95 foreware..same result. Guess I will have to install the original WDM capture drivers that shipped with the card...STRANGE.

 

The orignal ti4600 chip, the NV25 I beleive, was never built with VIVO. It was Gainward who added the VIVO to their models and hence Nvidia drivers do not support these cards capture modules. I have just upgraded from 77.77's which worked fine to the new 81.98 which don't. I would like to use the latest detonators but I will have to try to get my capture working again now. I will post to let everyone know if it works.

 

When I tried upgrading to the 81.98 nvidia drivers, the capture did not work and when I installed the original capture drivers and started the capture utility in virtualdub, i get a bluescreen saying infinite loop or something, again when I tried it said equal to or not equal to..guess my sweet point is 56.72 with old WDM drivers. Yahoo..

 

I think what rob was explaining makes sense.

Still, some other geforce ti 4600 from other manufacturers seem to be working with the latest drivers.

What i wanted to say now is that the annoying green bar in windvr is gone. This happened by leaving the old win2k_xp_4230 drivers and after that upgrading the wdm drivers from version 123 to the latest ones found from nvidia, of course they didnt work, but when i went back to 123 the bar was gone.

 

Hi everyone. I have the very same video card from Gainward and am having a similar issue with capture. I have a VCR connected to the black RCA connector on the VIVO adapter. I haven't had any crashes or bluescreens as of yet, but my video capture just shows a black screen. I just installed the latest Forceware (81.98) and WDM (2.26) drivers from nVidia's site. Rob__Dean suggested using 42.30 (Detonator) and the 1.23 WDM driver, and I couldn't find this at all on Gainward's site. Their driver page just links to nVidia's. I did, however, find their FTP site, ftp://gainward-ftp.de/
There they have those older drivers, plus some more recent ones:

Detonator: 43.03, 44.71, 53.03, 53.04, 56.64, 56.72, 61.34, 61.36, 61.72, 66.97, 71.20
WDM: 1.27, 2.14, 2.18, 4.04

Should I use 42.30 and WDM 1.23, or will one of these work? Can I use the latest Forceware from nVidia while keeping an older working WDM driver?