Okay guys i think we are missing the key word here.Bond said in his post that was his opinion

Don't get upset because someone gives there opinion.Its life not everyone going to see the same way.

First of all where did I use a swear word?

Second of all you never stated it was "your opinion" in your first post (actually double post)

In the future if you would like to state your opinions please refrain from using words like "fanboy" and start the post with something like "In My Opinion" or something. Otherwise it looks like you are insulting people who think a product is good by calling them fanboys. Also it looks like you are stating facts by calling it a piece of junk and speculating that a competitors system would have outsold if it could make more.

I don't know where you guys are located but in Toronto and surronding are you can't get a Wii anywhere. They sell in two minutes of arriving to any store whereas the PS3's are sitting on shelves. I managed to pick one up on the 27th of Dec after looking hard for a month and the kids were okay with waiting for it.Just lucked out by arriving in a Walmart when they arrived. Even then there were people milling about the electronics dept. hoping to see a shipment. I've seen demand for toys over the years but this is unreal.
By the way, it's a great unit, lots of fun from my 12 year old up to his Grandmother. Even my 16 year old who thought it was "just for kids" has had his friends over and they are all converts now.
Go Nintendo!

PS3
Facts of First thought
Over the top Iffy design,over the top price.

Needs badly
Price drop,Online network upgrade and games

Potential potential
Gaming:Physics is what the SPE's can do best.
Since Jp devs love the PS2 and thus will make games for the PS3 making it like the PS2 having the most games to play,even tho 60% are crap...

Media:Not restricted to 20GB media potential unlimited.
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360
Facts of First thought
Iffy design

Needs Badly
New revision ,new HD,slight price drop

Potential potential
Gaming:Nothing new ,will improve little by little year by year like the PS2 or Xbox, games are what limits this system the most.

Media:Restricted to 15GB(after format?) media potential limited.
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WII
Facts of First thought
Low power,new control for gamedom

Needs Badly
Games without games and god quality games at that this console is DEAD.

Potential potential
Gaming:As I stated above this system needs highly polished and refined games to bring the full potential of the new control system to bear if they do not work on the games this system will suffer the most from it since it has a new control scheme and less power.


Media:retro gameing??? ^0^
LOL

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bascily its the same as it was in the 6th gen MS and sony don't seem to see games as games and thus are furthering the hollywoodization of gaming (IE shallow moives for shallow people IE teens and immature "adults")


Nintendo is the last chance gaming has fr this 7th and probably 8th gen they need to focus on quality and get their 2nd and 3rd party devs to focus on quality if not...they fail.

Finally another rant,I hate people that diss cartoons yet love action movies that are "cartoons" for immature adults...(my annoyance for this is from the new Transformers movie).

Its getting to the end of days folks where all media is the all the same bland and luke warm pick your gaming poison and drink it hard for things are only going to get more shallow and watered down....and watered down piss is hard to drink.......

sorry I meant Toronto and surrounding area. Don't seem to be able to back into that post and edit it.

Originally posted by Irish13:

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sorry I meant Toronto and surrounding area. Don't seem to be able to back into that post and edit it.

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http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/2/443423

that should take you to the forum not the news comment system,really they should be fully merged by now >>

I just got my Wii, called Fred Meyer's this morning they had fourteen units I drove there in five minutes they had five left, that's got to say something.

I haven't played a Nintendo console (note: not handheld) since SNES. Why? Because Nintendo64 & GameCube just didn't do it for me. However, the Wii kicks major butt & its really the controller that gives it the appeal. As long as *N can capitalize on the controller, the graphics don't matter as much. The next leap in graphics will come from VHMU (video head-mounted units) like the game .hack// Soooo..$ony can kiss my butt with their $600 system, $25+ Blu-ray disc with DRM & proprietary garbage. I'll stick with PS2, get a Wii and we'll see how things go. I will miss MGS4, DMC4, Final Fantasy 13 and a whole bunch of awesome games but OH WELL!!1!!!!1

Wii for the mother ****ing win!
Sony = EXTREME fail
/smacks $ony with a big floppy fish LAWLzz

Originally posted by xhardc0re:

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I haven't played a Nintendo console (note: not handheld) since SNES. Why? Because Nintendo64 & GameCube just didn't do it for me. However, the Wii kicks major butt & its really the controller that gives it the appeal. As long as *N can capitalize on the controller, the graphics don't matter as much. The next leap in graphics will come from VHMU (video head-mounted units) like the game .hack// Soooo..$ony can kiss my butt with their $600 system, $25+ Blu-ray disc with DRM & proprietary garbage. I'll stick with PS2, get a Wii and we'll see how things go. I will miss MGS4, DMC4, Final Fantasy 13 and a whole bunch of awesome games but OH WELL!!1!!!!1

Wii for the mother ****ing win!
Sony = EXTREME fail
/smacks $ony with a big floppy fish LAWLzz

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the n64 was a solid system but much like the GC nintedno did not bring all its power to bear on it thus they seemed iffy,Turok on the N64 solidified my love for fps but then I alrady loved fps on the computer so meh

the GC is like the Xbox in alot of ways dosent have AOT of games but dose have acouple games that are worth the price of the system however like the n64 days nintendo treated it like a lawn ordainment put it out there and looked/cleaned it once a year,I am hoping with the WII they will refocus on gaming and game control,as it is gamedom is getting shallow and devoid of everythign gaming was 10 years ago,gamedom today is like hollywood today how low/shallow/trendy can you go and this destroys game play thus kills fun and mares story and characters which kills the other reason to play a game.

both SOny and MS are leaving gamedom to get into the "media" glitz,nin remains....if they refuse to focus on game control and quality then its the end of a ear.

Figured I should toss my can of gas onto the fire:

First off - I own a Wii. I play it everyday. I highly enjoy it. I love the control scheme as it gets you actively involved in the game. It has numerous potential uses and is new and innovative. Whether that wears thin over time remains to be seen.

The Wii has been consistently sold out since its release. PS3s are moving, but not as briskly. Stores are keeping them consistently on the shevles, but they are not moving out the door in many areas. You can pick up a PS3 for retail price on ebay, but Wiis are selling for about 1.5 - 2 times retail value. That says that at this point in time, the Wii has higher demand. The fact that they can meet the demand with more units shipped just helps their sales.

I have a very nice HD set, but I am not interested in a 360 or PS3. I don't see the value in the increased price. Once a price drop comes I'll re-evaluate.

In my opinion, Sony has had too many problems in the past to be trusted with my money. I'm talking laptop batteries, Powershot camera recalls, PS2 "disc-read-errors", PS3 problems, overheating etc.

For those of you who look at exclusive titles as a reason to purchase a console - (IMO) There is no chance that most titles will remain exclusive in this generation (at least between 360 and PS3). The software development package for the PS3 is $19m. The game has to sell half a million copies just to break even (not including advertising etc.).

Games like MGS4 and GTA4 will not remain PS3 exclusives for long. Why would a company spend all that money developing a game and not appeal to the largest market possible? There is a small cost to develop a port for another system compared to the cost of a new game from scratch.

Thonor
I ask the same thing about exclusives/regioning every day the PS3 could have done soemthign about the corperate strangle hold on regions yet all they offer is a crossed regioned scheme that lets USA and JP enjoy their games and the EU to only play EU stuff at least movie wise.....

bah to,the 360 is a upgraded Xbox,the Wii is the only one I really like,but even then...they might not save gamedom with polish and detail,I see everythign going into a bleak and bland corperate future.....

Originally posted by Thonor:

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Games like MGS4 and GTA4 will not remain PS3 exclusives for long.

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"Grand Theft Auto IV will ship day and date on Xbox 360 and PS3."
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/749/749547p7.html

I bought my son (now 15) an Xbox 360 for Christmas 2005. This Christmas I got him both the Wii and the PS3. His favorite system is still the 360, but between the two new ones, hands down he much prefers the Wii. And having played it some myself, I must agree. It's just plain fun.

Right now, there's not much to like about the PS3...even Resistance was, to me, a pale imitation of Gears of War.

However, there's a truly fantastic game coming around the corner for the PS3 and the demo is available now at the Playstation Store. The game is Motorstorm; and it, and games like it may change the whole balance of power.

And by the way, I had a friend at Best Buy who told me that the Wii's sell out before they can even wheel them out to put them on the shelves; but he told me they got four PS3's that sat out in the open for a full two days before they were sold.

Food for thought.

These sales stats indicate the number of units shipped from nintendo to retailers, and not actual end-user sales, so these "units sold" figures can be somewhat misleading.

Also, the PS3 is expensive but for what you get, it's not overpriced. It is a very capable BluRay player with new technology, $600 is a FAIR price for what you get. Have you priced a standalone bluray player? You're talking at least $1000. As is always the case with tech stuff, the prices go down over time, but for the here and now, I can't agree with anyone who says the PS3 is too expensive.

Anyway, ever since I started playing World of Warcraft, my consoles have gotten very dusty. :D

@zippyg

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I and many others have no need for a Blu-ray player, a gaming machine is what I am interested in and sony doesn't offer a gaming machine at a reasonable price. I am glad the Wii doesn't have a dvd player as I have no need for that either. I never even used my PS2 as a dvd player to avoid taxing the system so much that it would fail to work. Seems to have worked out for me, as I still have an Original Launch day PS2 and have no problems with the system.

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I agree with Kabledog. I have no need for a Blu-ray player because I do not want to lock myself into one format. Now if it was a HD-DVD/Blu-Ray combo player that would be different.

Because what is going to happen is most people will eventually buy a combo (HD-DVD/Blu-Ray) player and then the PS3 Blu-ray would be useless for movies.

Technically you don't need a PS3. Your life will continue just fine without one. You may state that you do not WANT a bluray player, but guess what...if you get a PS3 chances are you will have a nice HDTV and surround system already, and with many movies already available on Bluray, can you really say it's a bad thing?

Most people, myself included, appreciate the fact that they can buy one device which can play games and movies, and I highly doubt that if Bluray was omitted from the console as a feature, that the price would have been substantially lower.

Maybe the PS3 isn't too expensive, it's more likely that you just need to make more money. :)

ok people all in all it really boils down to what you like alot of people perfer graphics over any thing else but how many of us sit and get fat playing games versus being interactive with them to me that is what nintendo is doing i have played the wii and i think it is awesome ps3 on the other hand is pretty much just like its old system ps2 but with better graphics to me i could car less about graphics the do not always make a game i personally dont care if the stuff in the games look real or not i would perfer to be more active i have owned ever nintendo ever made and still own all of them except the n64 and the wii since in my area they are sold out

basically what i am saying is first it is a matter of opinion and second it is just what people perfer and how much the are will to pay for it

bah the PS3 has pushed the 300-399 thresh hold for a gaming console,the 360 kinda had the right idea but it was poorly implemented the PS3 thinks every gamer will shell out 600 for their "media center".

SOny would have gained allot of ground and rep if they they gee maybe we could saturate the world with BR players win BR movie support sale BR movies by making the PS3 more modular and selling the core for 390 with the 20GB HD.

The thing about modularity is that it reduces the universal compatibility that makes consoles what they are. If you start making everyhing modular and upgradeable, you no longer have a console - you have a PC. Remember the 32x and SegaCD that cost sega dearly in the long run? Nobody wanted to shell out the extra $$$ after having spent money on the console itself, and the developers were reluctant to release games for these upgraded systems - so the more you can include as "Standard" in the console, the better. Sony is definitely taking a risk by attempting to sell the console for $700, but it's a valid price.

Awww man looks like someone has cr*cked $ony's game encryption and an imminent release of HDD games is upon us!!1!

"Originally Posted by •·.·´¯`·.·åkã¹²º·.·´¯`·•
TeamXecuter Close to booting PS3 games from HDD

As i was on irc i visit XXXXscene channel i saw the news about teamxecuter
running games from ps3 hd and getting close however XXXXscene main page
is down only forums are working therefore cant confirm this thing.

From team-xecuter:
Quote:We've been playing with a PS3. Didn't take long to come up with a useful product - codenamed the HYPERDRIVE.

Features:
* Connect any 3.5" SATA Hard Drive to the PS3
* Developing ability to connect IDE hard drive
* Supports upto 750GB (maybe more thats all we have here)
* Switch between external HYPERDRIVE and internal 2.5" HDD
* HYPERDRIVE USB2.0 Support to dump data to/from HDD

When you connect the system announces the drive requires formatting etc and then promptly begins to prep it. All system settings are unchanged so they are stored internally to the PS3 and not on the HDD.

We can assure you that larger hard drives will be essential in the near future. After speaking to colleagues from the Playstation Scene, booting games from HDD is possible and not far off. As the games are Blu-ray (17gb+ dumps available) then the larger HDD the better, and you wont get very large and cheap 2.5" drives, however 250GB 3.5" drives are close to $60 these days.

We may release a simple adapter first so you can hook up with ease right now rather than wait for release of the HYPERDRIVE, that won't take too long at all to release.

Product pics / more info soon.

Here's some crappy pics showing our first attempts at 3.5" hook ups. Drive in this pics was 150GB - note how much OS space is taken up !!"

so yeah, everyone wants to buy a Wii while everyone else wants to h*ck the PS3. LAWLzzz

ZippyG
really? so not getting saturation and not getting BR/PS3 out their dose what for them?

since the onyl thing the core design misses is wifi,flash reader,hdmi so the PS3 is whole and the games are not effected it plays BR and guess what if around 350 even 400 would have gained them in this format war as it now they lost on the movie side on the game side they should own the market in acouple years.

i'm losing your there, ZIppy. What do you mean?
I agree that selling a Blu-ray player this early for $600 isn't bad. However, the real target market is the gamers & many consumers will still not buy a game console like the PS3 to play their movies. Why? Because it's considered a toy/kid's plaything rather than a regular piece of their (future) entertainment system.
There is still that stigma, that the word PlayStation is the same as videogames. Because of that, many consumers will not want one. Also, the PS3 out of the box does not function as easily as the stand-alone Blu-ray players. $ony should have thought of making the Blu-ray functions of the system as dummy proof as possible when attempting to market it as a Blu-ray player.
As you can see, $ony has already dropped the ball but they could fix things quick. Include a start guide, remote control, and market the PS3 in high end video/music magazines as a Blu-ray player. Do that without mentioning the fact it plays videogames. If $ony has that type of marketing team, they can pull it off. HD-DVD is not dead yet. Especially if Microsoft enters the market & throws billions at promoting it. Gates & Co. could lose billions of dollars on HD-DVD but still win in the console wars by destroying Blu-ray.
Remember, Betamax was superior to VHS but the marketing team behind VHS was better. It was technology, and not marketing, that eventually helped VHS win the format wars. Betamax was still used by videographers but consumers dropped their interest by the mid 1980's...

Sony has a lot riding on BluRay emerging as the official format, so I am pretty sure that a large factor in the decision to include BR on all PS3 models is just that - getting BR into more people's homes. I wouldn't say that BR is a requirement or benefit to games, as the 9GB capacity offered by DVDs is still plenty of space for actual game code. As far as people viewing the PS3 as a toy, I could see that being the case with some people, but I think most people would only buy a standalone blueray player if it offered better quality video output than the PS3.

I can live without a flash reader on my console, and WiFi usually is optional if you purchase a bridge. Wifi still sucks for online gaming, and I'd rather have a wired net connection for anything as intensive as network gaming. Both of these things would work as upgrades, because neither of them are really critical to the core performance of the system.

As for Beta vs VHS, I always thought that VHS was royalty free whereas Beta required really high "licensing" for media producers and hardware manufacturers to incorporate into their products. I do not know why companies feel the need to stifle progress by trying to make money off formats...I'd just submit it to the ISO and have them make it universal and open to everyone.

xhardc0re
don't forget there are 2 zippys here :P

oh well...I am in the end unforgettable :P