Hi. I am hoping someone can help me... please! When trying to burn CD's with Nero 6 the burning process is aborted in less than a minute, the program telling me that the burn process has failed. Reading other threads i updated the drive to the BYS3 version, removed InCD, and tried uninstalling the driver from device manager and let it be auto reinstalled, but still my problem persists (although this time it went for a record 4 minutes!). it Has cost me about 10 DL DVD's now so i am hoping for a solution before i can afford no more!! many thanks. Below is a copy of the error log.... 1a25-0006-7130-1825-8649-2589 Windows XP 5.1 IA32 WinAspi: - ahead WinASPI: File 'C:\Program Files\Ahead\nero\Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=2.0.1.68, size=160016 bytes, created 28/07/2004 16:51:12 Nero version: 6.6.0.0 Recorder: <SONY DVD RW DW-D22A> Version: BFS1 - HA 0 TA 0 - 6.6.0.0 Adapter driver: <atapi> HA 0 Drive buffer : 2048kB Bus Type : default (0) -> ATAPI, detected: ATAPI CD-ROM: <HL-DT-ST DVD-ROM GDR8163B>Version: 0S24 - HA 0 TA 1 - 6.6.0.0 Adapter driver: <atapi> HA 0 === Scsi-Device-Map === CdRomPeripheral : SONY DVD RW DW-D22A atapi Port 0 ID 0 DMA: Off CdRomPeripheral : HL-DT-ST DVD-ROM GDR8163B atapi Port 0 ID 1 DMA: On DiskPeripheral : RAID_Volume0 iaStor Port 1 ID 0 DMA: On === CDRom-Device-Map === SONY DVD RW DW-D22A E: CDRom0 HL-DT-ST DVD-ROM GDR8163 F: CDRom1 ======================= AutoRun : 1 Excluded drive IDs: WriteBufferSize: 83886080 (0) Byte ShowDrvBufStat : 0 BUFE : 0 Physical memory : 1023MB (1047908kB) Free physical memory: 379MB (388300kB) Memory in use : 62 % Uncached PFiles: 0x0 Use Static Write Speed Table: 0 Use Inquiry : 1 Global Bus Type: default (0) Check supported media : Disabled (0) 4.10.2002 ISO compilation 20:49:57 #1 Text 0 File Isodoc.cpp, Line 6170 Iso document burn settings ------------------------------------------ Determine maximum speed : FALSE Simulate : FALSE Write : TRUE Finalize CD : FALSE Multisession : FALSE Burning mode : DAO Mode : 1 ISO Level : 1 (Max. of 11 = 8 + 3 char) Character set : ISO 9660 Joliet : TRUE Allow pathdepth more than 8 directories : TRUE Allow more than 255 characters in path : TRUE Write ISO9660 ;1 file extensions : TRUE 20:49:57 #2 Text 0 File Reader.cpp, Line 127 Reader running 20:49:57 #3 Text 0 File Writer.cpp, Line 122 Writer SONY DVD RW DW-D22A running 20:49:57 #4 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3286 First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000) 20:49:57 #5 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3119 Turn on Disc-at-once, using DVD media 20:49:58 #6 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 256 Last possible write address on media: 4173823 (927:30.73, 8151MB) Last address to be written: 4171407 (926:58.57, 8147MB) 20:49:58 #7 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 268 Write in overburning mode: NO (enabled: CD) 20:49:58 #8 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 2310 Recorder: SONY DVD RW DW-D22A, Media type: DVD+R9 Double Layer Disc Manufacturer ID: RITEK, Media Type ID: D01, Product revision number: 1 Disc Application Code: 0, Extended Information Indicators: 0 20:49:58 #9 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 430 >>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<< ========================================= 20:49:58 #10 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 844 Setup items (after recorder preparation) 0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 () 2 indices, index0 (150) not provided original disc pos #0 + 4171408 (4171408) = #4171408/926:58.58 relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/ required, no patch infos -> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 4171408 blocks [SONY DVD RW DW-D22A] -------------------------------------------------------------- 20:49:58 #11 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 1045 Prepare recorder [SONY DVD RW DW-D22A] for write in CUE-sheet-DAO DAO infos: ========== MCN: "" TOCType: 0x00; Session Closed, disc not fixated Tracks 1 to 1: 1: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos 0 0 8543043584, ISRC "" DAO layout: =========== __Start_|____Track_|_Idx_|_RecDep_|_CtrlAdr_ 0 | lead-in | 0 | 0x00 | 0x41 0 | 1 | 0 | 0x00 | 0x41 0 | 1 | 1 | 0x00 | 0x41 4171408 | lead-out | 1 | 0x00 | 0x41 20:49:58 #12 Phase 24 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1861 Caching of files started 20:50:00 #13 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 4135 Cache writing successful. 20:50:00 #14 Phase 25 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1861 Caching of files completed 20:50:00 #15 Phase 36 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1861 Burn process started at 2.4x (3,324 KB/s) 20:50:00 #16 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2471 Verifying disc position of item 0 (relocatable, disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0 20:50:00 #17 Text 0 File DVDPlusDualLayer.cpp, Line 474 L0 Data Zone Capacity not set. Max LBA L0 2086911 (1FD7FFh, 4075MB), next writable address 0 (0h, 0MB) 20:50:01 #18 CDR -1205 File DVDPlusDualLayer.cpp, Line 490 Burning Layer 1 20:50:01 #19 Text 0 File DVDPlusDualLayer.cpp, Line 498 Start writing layer 1 at address 0 (0h) 20:50:01 #20 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 8259 ---- DVD Structure: Physical Format Information (00h) ---- Layer: 0, Address: 0 (0 h), AGID: 0; Length: 2050 Book Type: DVD+R DL (14), Part Version: 1 Disc Size: 120 mm, Maximum Rate: <not specified> (F h) Number of Layers: 2, Track Path: Opposite Track Path (OTP), Layer Type: recordable Linear Density: 0,293 um/bit, Track Density: 0,74 um/track Starting Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 30000 h (DVD-ROM, DVD-R/-RW, DVD+R/+RW) End Physical Sector Number of Data Area: FCFFFF h End Sector Number in Layer 0: 22D7FF h Data in Burst Cutting Area (BCA) does not exist Disc Application Code: 0 / 0 h Extended Information indicators: 0 h Disc Manufacturer ID: RITEK... Media type ID: D01 Product revision number: 1 Number of Physical format information bytes in use in ADIP up to byte 63: 64 Media Specific [16..63]: 00 00 00 52 49 54 45 4B - 00 00 00 44 30 31 01 40 ...RITEK...D01.@ 25 25 37 00 00 28 64 00 - 28 64 19 1B 0B 0B 0E 0F %%7..(d.(d...... 01 00 00 00 00 19 1B 0B - 0B 0E 0F 01 00 00 00 00 ................ 20:50:01 #21 Text 0 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1719 Set remaining time: 42:40,465 (2560465ms) -> OK 20:50:01 #22 Text 0 File DVDPlusRW.cpp, Line 628 Start write address at LBA 0 DVD high compatibility mode: No 20:54:54 #23 SCSI -1135 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1429 SCSI Exec, HA 0, TA 0, LUN 0, buffer 0x03705000 Status: 0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR) HA-Status 0x00 (0x00, OK) TA-Status 0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND) Sense Key: 0x03 (KEY_MEDIUM_ERROR) Sense Code: 0x0C Sense Qual: 0x00 CDB Data: 0x5C 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0C 0x00 0x00 0x00 Sense Data: 0x70 0x00 0x03 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0A 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0C 0x00 20:54:54 #24 SCSI -1064 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1429 SCSI Exec, HA 0, TA 0, LUN 0, buffer 0x03A90000 Status: 0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR) HA-Status 0x00 (0x00, OK) TA-Status 0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND) Sense Key: 0x05 (KEY_ILLEGAL_REQUEST) Sense Code: 0x21 Sense Qual: 0x02 CDB Data: 0x2A 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x9B 0x60 0x00 0x00 0x20 0x00 0x00 0x00 Sense Data: 0x70 0x00 0x05 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0A 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x21 0x02 20:54:54 #25 CDR -1135 File Writer.cpp, Line 311 Write error SONY DVD RW DW-D22A\H0 T0 20:54:54 #26 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 229 all writers idle, stopping conversion 20:54:54 #27 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 223 conversion idle, stopping reader 20:54:55 #28 Text 0 File DVDPlusRW.cpp, Line 755 Writing extended Lead-out supported: 01 h, return code: 0 supported / do not write extended Lead-out / revision 0.4x/1.xx style 20:54:55 #29 Text 0 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1719 Set remaining time: 0:00,000 (0ms) -> OK 20:54:55 #30 Text 0 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1719 Set remaining time: 0:00,000 (0ms) -> OK 20:54:55 #31 Phase 38 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1861 Burn process failed at 2.4x (3,324 KB/s) Existing drivers: File 'Drivers\CDRALW2K.SYS': Ver=5.3.2.34, size=23420 bytes, created 21/05/2005 03:29:42 File 'Drivers\PXHELP20.SYS': Ver=2.03.18a, size=20576 bytes, created 18/02/2005 18:50:54 (Prassi/Veritas driver for win 2K) File 'Drivers\atapi.sys': Ver=5.1.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158), size=95360 bytes, created 04/08/2004 07:59:44 (Adapter driver for rec) Registry Keys: HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\WinLogon\AllocateCDROMs : 0 (Security Option)
Sorry I cant really help you but I was hopeing you could point me towards the BYS3 Firm, I cant find it anywhere I Dont no how to read logs but I took notice that DMA is off. I will see if I can get someone to help
- EDIT OUT your serial number - i used this version for absolutely ages without problem, however you do have problems so you should update to latest (6.6.0.16) as part of troubleshooting your problems - hmmm, thought you'd updated to BYS3... it's here - http://dhc014.rpc1.org/Files/DVDR/DW-D22A_BYS3b.zip - DMA needs to be ON, fix it via this - http://home.comcast.net/~bbmayo/FAQ.htm - i always have 600MB free when i burn, i'm only mentioning your memory as you should still keep more memory free - just checking, did you intend to not finalise the discs - hopefully all the recommendations will get you sorted - uninstall Roxio, doesn't play well with Nero. You may have to google search for Roxio Zapper to fully eradicate Roxio
@creaky, I dont want to take over the thread but I cant flash my drive and I cant find an answers.This is my first time flashing. I Ran ltnFW, I stick in the bin, check update, It goes right to 100% and says it's in progress then the start button goes unshaded like its done flashing but it stays at 100% it dont say done. How long should this process take? what could fix this problem???? Am I doing something wrong? I tryed useing MTKflash but I get errors in my floppy drive when I try to make a boot disc(this looks hard to use anyways) I been working on this since you pointed me to the firmware! Do you know what this new firmware all upgrades? Thank you so much
thanks so much for that creaky... that was invaluable advice i am sure i never would have figured so many thanks. a new problem i am afraid... me DELIGHT at finally to run a successful burn has been tempered by the fact that the disc cannot be read by the drive! or my dvd-rom drive, nor by my dvd player. is this a media issue?? once more i need some help. so frustrating!
just in case... here is the successful log file... Windows XP 5.1 IA32 WinAspi: - ahead WinASPI: File 'C:\Program Files\Ahead\Nero\Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=2.0.1.74, size=164112 bytes, created 26/10/2004 18:35:34 Nero Version: 6.6.0.16 Internal Version: 6, 6, 0, 16b Recorder: <SONY DVD RW DW-D22A> Version: BYS3 - HA 0 TA 0 - 6.6.0.16 Adapter driver: <atapi> HA 0 Drive buffer : 2048kB Bus Type : default (0) -> ATAPI, detected: ATAPI CD-ROM: <HL-DT-ST DVD-ROM GDR8163B>Version: 0S24 - HA 0 TA 1 - 6.6.0.16 Adapter driver: <atapi> HA 0 === Scsi-Device-Map === CdRomPeripheral : SONY DVD RW DW-D22A atapi Port 0 ID 0 DMA: On CdRomPeripheral : HL-DT-ST DVD-ROM GDR8163B atapi Port 0 ID 1 DMA: On DiskPeripheral : RAID_Volume0 iaStor Port 1 ID 0 DMA: On === CDRom-Device-Map === SONY DVD RW DW-D22A E: CDRom0 HL-DT-ST DVD-ROM GDR8163B F: CDRom1 ======================= AutoRun : 1 Excluded drive IDs: WriteBufferSize: 83886080 (0) Byte ShowDrvBufStat : 0 BUFE : 0 Physical memory : 1023MB (1047908kB) Free physical memory: 498MB (510692kB) Memory in use : 51 % Uncached PFiles: 0x0 Use Inquiry : 1 Global Bus Type: default (0) Check supported media : Disabled (0) 9.10.2005 ISO compilation 18:54:25 #1 Text 0 File Isodoc.cpp, Line 6356 Iso document burn settings ------------------------------------------ Determine maximum speed : FALSE Simulate : FALSE Write : TRUE Finalize CD : TRUE Multisession : FALSE Burning mode : DAO Mode : 1 ISO Level : 1 (Max. of 11 = 8 + 3 char) Character set : ISO 9660 Joliet : TRUE Allow pathdepth more than 8 directories : TRUE Allow more than 255 characters in path : TRUE Write ISO9660 ;1 file extensions : TRUE 18:54:25 #2 Text 0 File Reader.cpp, Line 127 Reader running 18:54:25 #3 Text 0 File Writer.cpp, Line 122 Writer SONY DVD RW DW-D22A running 18:54:25 #4 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3309 First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000) 18:54:26 #5 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3233 Turn on Disc-At-Once, using DVD media 18:54:26 #6 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 270 Last possible write address on media: 4173823 (927:30.73, 8151MB) Last address to be written: 4158879 (924:11.54, 8122MB) 18:54:26 #7 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 282 Write in overburning mode: NO (enabled: CD) 18:54:26 #8 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 2483 Recorder: SONY DVD RW DW-D22A, Media type: DVD+R9 Double Layer Disc Manufacturer ID: RICOHJPN, Media Type ID: D00, Product revision number: 1 Disc Application Code: 0, Extended Information Indicators: 0 18:54:26 #9 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 448 >>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<< ========================================= 18:54:26 #10 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 838 Setup items (after recorder preparation) 0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 () 2 indices, index0 (150) not provided original disc pos #0 + 4158880 (4158880) = #4158880/924:11.55 relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/ required, no patch infos -> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 4158880 blocks [SONY DVD RW DW-D22A] -------------------------------------------------------------- 18:54:26 #11 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 1051 Prepare recorder [SONY DVD RW DW-D22A] for write in CUE-sheet-DAO DAO infos: ========== MCN: "" TOCType: 0x00; Session Closed, disc fixated Tracks 1 to 1: 1: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos 0 0 8517386240, ISRC "" DAO layout: =========== __Start_|____Track_|_Idx_|_CtrlAdr_|_RecDep__________ 0 | lead-in | 0 | 0x41 | 0x00 0 | 1 | 0 | 0x41 | 0x00 0 | 1 | 1 | 0x41 | 0x00 4158880 | lead-out | 1 | 0x41 | 0x00 18:54:26 #12 Phase 24 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832 Caching of files started 18:54:30 #13 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 4120 Cache writing successful. 18:54:30 #14 Phase 25 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832 Caching of files completed 18:54:30 #15 Phase 36 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832 Burn process started at 2.4x (3,324 KB/s) 18:54:30 #16 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2654 Verifying disc position of item 0 (relocatable, disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0 18:54:30 #17 Text 0 File DVDPlusDualLayer.cpp, Line 459 Disc finalized, LBA total Image size: 4158880 (8122MB), Last LBA L0: 2079455 (4061MB) 18:55:02 #18 Text 0 File DVDPlusDualLayer.cpp, Line 614 L0 Data Zone Capacity set to 2079456 (1FBAE0h, 4061MB) -> OK, confirmed setting 18:55:02 #19 CDR -1205 File DVDPlusDualLayer.cpp, Line 641 Burning Layer 1 18:55:02 #20 Text 0 File DVDPlusDualLayer.cpp, Line 651 Start writing layer 1 at address 0 (0h) Recording mode: unknown Recording Mode 18:55:02 #21 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 8862 ---- DVD Structure: Physical Format Information (00h) ---- Layer: 0, Address: 0 (0 h), AGID: 0; Length: 2050 Book Type: DVD+R DL (14), Part Version: 1.0x (1) Disc Size: 120 mm, Maximum Rate: <not specified> (F h) Number of Layers: 2, Track Path: Opposite Track Path (OTP), Layer Type: recordable Linear Density: 0,293 um/bit, Track Density: 0,74 um/track Starting Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 30000 h (DVD-ROM, DVD-R/-RW, DVD+R/+RW) End Physical Sector Number of Data Area: FCFFFF h End Sector Number in Layer 0: 22BADF h (LBN: 1FBADF h, 4061 MB) Data in Burst Cutting Area (BCA) does not exist Disc Application Code: 0 / 0 h Extended Information indicators: 0 h Disc Manufacturer ID: RICOHJPN Media type ID: D00 Product revision number: 1 Number of Physical format information bytes in use in ADIP up to byte 63: 64 Media Specific [16..63]: 00 00 00 52 49 43 4F 48 - 4A 50 4E 44 30 30 01 40 ...RICOHJPND00.@ 25 25 37 11 00 34 64 00 - 34 64 20 21 0C 0D 12 12 %%7..4d.4d.!.... 02 01 01 10 00 20 21 0C - 0D 12 12 02 01 01 10 00 ......!......... 18:55:02 #22 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 5618 Drive: SONY DVD RW DW-D22A Book Type request [LO]: DVD-ROM Changing the Book Type was finished successfully, return code 0 18:55:02 #23 CDR -1207 File DVDR.cpp, Line 5065 Book Type automatically set to: DVD-ROM 18:55:02 #24 Text 0 File DVDPlusRW.cpp, Line 665 Start write address at LBA 0 DVD high compatibility mode: Yes 19:16:15 #25 CDR -1206 File DVDPlusDualLayer.cpp, Line 1895 Burning Layer 2 19:16:15 #26 Text 0 File DVDPlusDualLayer.cpp, Line 1906 Perform layer 1 to 2 jump before writing at address 2079456 (1FBAE0h) 19:37:29 #27 Text 0 File WriterStatus.cpp, Line 116 <SONY DVD RW DW-D22A > start writing Lead-Out at LBA 4158880 (3F75A0h), lenght 0 blocks 19:37:29 #28 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 228 all writers idle, stopping conversion 19:37:47 #29 SCSI -1176 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1180 SCSI Exec, HA 0, TA 0, LUN 0, buffer 0x03974A00 Status: 0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR) HA-Status 0x00 (0x00, OK) TA-Status 0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND) Sense Key: 0x03 (KEY_MEDIUM_ERROR) Sense Code: 0x72 Sense Qual: 0x01 CDB Data: 0x51 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x20 0x00 0x00 0x00 Sense Data: 0x71 0x00 0x03 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0A 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x72 0x01 19:37:47 #30 Phase 127 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832 Generating DVD high compatibility borders 19:37:47 #31 Phase 129 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832 Generating DVD borders completed successfully 19:37:47 #32 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 5618 Drive: SONY DVD RW DW-D22A Book Type request [LO]: DVD+R Double Layer Changing the Book Type was finished successfully, return code 0 19:37:47 #33 Phase 37 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832 Burn process completed successfully at 2.4x (3,324 KB/s) Existing drivers: File 'Drivers\PXHELP20.SYS': Ver=2.03.18a, size=20576 bytes, created 18/02/2005 18:50:54 (Prassi/Veritas driver for win 2K) File 'Drivers\atapi.sys': Ver=5.1.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158), size=95360 bytes, created 04/08/2004 07:59:44 (Adapter driver for rec) Registry Keys: HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\WinLogon\AllocateCDROMs : 0 (Security Option)
@blcdoc - Hi again, glad you sort of got working before. However, i've not done any Dual Layer burning, nor do i intend to at DL prices!, though i'll do what i can. Your thread's title suggests you're sure you have a Sony DW-D22A and whilst i don't doubt you, this same drive caused me some grief today - http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/2/241639 Basically if it's a Sony then ignore that part of my reply..it's always worth checking the obvious. I can't see anything in the logfile that jumps ot to me. I do see the booktyping has been done successfully which should obviously help the disc work in more players. So maybe it is the Layer Break problem after all... From what i keep reading from some of my buddies round here (two that spring to mind are arniebear and kivory666, not meaning to miss anyone out- i don't pay too much attention to the DL stuff yet), Nero's not currently much good at dealing with the Layer Break. Also i don't yet know how to tell much about Dual Layer from logfiles. The recommendations i know of are to try DVD Decrypter to burn Dual Layer as it can handle Layer Breaks properly. What may be worth trying also is 'imgburn' from the guy who developed DVD Decrypter (Lightning UK). re imgburn (haven't got around to trying it myself so am slowly reading up on it) - http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/240201 http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/240834 any DL burning threads i can find, sorry, will just give you some links as am gonna get off the PC for a change, wanna watch a movie as i get up far too early for work http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/238291 http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/241545 http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/239061 http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/236398
