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PS3 will win console war say researchers
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article published on 19 August, 2006
Research firm The Yankee Group believe that Sony's highly anticipated Playstation 3 console will hold off stiff competition from Microsoft & Nintendo to dominate the battle of the consoles once more. In a press release this week, it stated it believes that, "Microsoft is off to a fast start, launching the Xbox 360 nearly 12 months before the PlayStation 3. However, by the time third-generation ... [ read the full article ]
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20. August 2006 @ 22:26 |
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@ Zippy and your dvd player problem. You could just burn their movies using the jump straight to movie feature with AnyDVD so when they stick it in, it will go straight to the movie.
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20. August 2006 @ 22:43 |
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Umm I seen oblivion for 69 in some stores so in some cases new games are 60-70 easy.
SO in all games ahve come up allite and will go up some more,the more effort or thigns they put into a game the more cost the more the price....but thats not goign to be for another few years yet.
still 30 for a medicore game aint worth it.....
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and if they start watchign mreo movies that emans I'l have to burn 10+ moives a month and swap them out with the real thign becuse they being old wouldnt know the diffrance ><
bascily I need a smart DVD palyer thier willign to shell out 100,but I am betting even china is not willing to piss off the FBI and hollywood and make skiping DVD palyer that jsut starts a movie...I mena auto taping on menu to get to menu for changeable set amount of time then doing so with paly is all I am really looking for....
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20. August 2006 @ 23:20 |
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Well then you were taken for a fool.Oblivion had a MSRP of $59.99 for 360 and $49.99 for the pc.That was when the game was new right now I could get it for much cheaper than that I were to hunt around.
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20. August 2006 @ 23:32 |
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tycobb
I didnt buy it I have merely seen it as much and the Colectors ed hits 70 befor shiping.
Hell I would not pay even 50 for it >>
mabye 40..... >>
ok I am cheap ><
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21. August 2006 @ 00:03 |
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The collectors edition is $69.99 but I would never buy it either at that price lol.Those "special editions" are just a marketing gimmick.
It's about the only game for that price and the only reason the publisher thinks they can get away with it is because it's a popular game.At this stage oblivion is to old for even $50 but that's just me.It won't sell diddly compaired to the regular version and will be coming down.
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21. August 2006 @ 00:39 |
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tycobb
I got my prey collectors box for 30 used and thats wif shiping,not to bad the game is 10$ more than its worth but then I am picky about gamepaly >>
If Doom 3 has great gamepaly and level design then I wuld be happy to give 70 for it but shit the gmae is bland and as basic as WOlfenstine was......hell WOlfenstine had better levels *L*
well mabye not but DOOM dose have better levels *L*
Until lobbying is a hanging offense I choose anarchy!
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21. August 2006 @ 00:56 |
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First of all,No one cares about Blu-ray. Half the people who have an HDTV don't even have it hooked up properly. No one is even going to notice the difference between DVD and Blu-ray outside of technofiles and Electronics stores. The average consumer is perfectly satisfied with DVD. Second of all, the PS3 is just a trojan horse for Blu-ray. That's all sony cares about. They've been trying for YEARS to have one of their media formats become a standard. They started with beta-max and it failed. They moved on to mini-disc. It failed. Then they tried UMD. It failed. Now they're trying again with Blu-ray. It will fail. It's the sony media curse. Last of all, all the hyped up games outside of Metal gear are on 360. Saints Row, Mass effect,Gears of war,Bioshock,etc.
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21. August 2006 @ 01:20 |
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you can say the same about Nintendo they clung to carts,UDM has not realy failed at least not in teh when you are takign abotu,UDM is the format for the PSP for games movies was a gimmick its fallign but not dead.
Blue ray much like HD DVD are 2 formats akin to + and minus - for DVD the only real diffrance is the hollywood studips are jumping on the band wagon befor the media itself is fully showen the public,with the technolgy ging at the rate it is BR and HD DVD will be able to run on thesame drives in 2-3 years and it wil take that long for hollywood to fall in love with, if anythign BR will fall to 2nd palce and be used for games and storage sicne it can hold more,also SONY DOSE NOT OWN BR its a part of the team trying to get this technoly unlike UDM and minidisc there are no real owners however the companies are tryign to kill themselfs to be frist look at the horrable mismash the 360 for it beign released to damn early,the PS3 is better thought out and wont need to be repalced in 3 years there is a price to be paid almost double of a barebones 360,the 360 is bult as a "new media center" and fails as one becuse it dose not think of the enxt 5 years it bear has the next 2 years planed out,Hardware is being repalced thats a good frist step mabye the 2nd revision will be stable great now we need games ALOT of games.....and fixing the BWC will bring in thos that have put off gettign a Xbx like me :P
Bascily the 360 a Xbx upgrade,the PS3 is thinkng ahead and the WII revalutionzeing gameing.
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21. August 2006 @ 01:57 |
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@ the person who said the PS2 doesn't support as many codecs and all, I'd like to say other than the infamous laser lens problem (which burned 3 of my PS2's) I've not had an issue with watching a "backup" DVD-R.
I have a question, Blu-ray seems to be a major selling point to the people who think this system is a great buy and a major sticking point for people who probably won't buy it.
My question is (and I am asking this honestly) has blu ray dvd's made it on to the store shelves in the United States yet?
Yeah there's been commercials and all but I have yet to see a Blu-ray dvd at Wal Mart despite UW Evolution saying it was coming soon to Blu-ray.
Again I'd like to say I am not saying/asking this to flame, just a honest question.
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21. August 2006 @ 02:22 |
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the whole laser failure thing (in ps2) is NOT as major as everyone says, i no someone who has a luanch console and has used it hard since brand new and has no problems playing ANY original games or backup movies at all. (bit of lag in GTA games though)
Me ive been through 3 consoles, why? because iuse backuped games and expierment with different things.
So as long as you leave the console alone and only play original games then your ps2 should work ages.
As for the guy who said it was a bad dvdplayer, in what way? movies only use 1 codec for video, and have a few for audio, and being that it has only 2ch output then other codecs arent needed.
AS to the whole ps3 vs. 360 vs. WII, the WII is more of a "right now" console and will be dead in a few years, 360 will die even quicker (microsoft should really just focus on producing a half good OS rather than a halfassed one + attempt at console) the ps3 will not imediatly be a success but a 5 years from now it will still be around and will be in its prime, with all the other consoles being at the end of thier lifecycle.
The xbox 360 really is a xbox 1.5.
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21. August 2006 @ 02:23 |
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Nothing I know of,I do know thier 20ish a disc,I am unsure of the speed,and I hope soemone can answer what the new speeds are if DVD X4 is 2 or 4 times faster than howfast is a BR burning at 1-4X?
for 20ish GB I woud ahte to think it'd take 30min to burn a BR disc.
I only see BR as potinal for gameing,its just to early yet to bash it for moives with the high chnace of a dual drive being out in 2 or 3 years and ti takes at elast 2 years for a format to becuse a standard....
PS2 lens are the msot annoying things....I wish sony would go Xbxs way and have a soiled drive unit....but they jsut have to cut conners and mroe issues pop up ><
Until lobbying is a hanging offense I choose anarchy!
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21. August 2006 @ 02:38 |
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360 a 1.5 xbx *L* I love that ,its sad but ture thus why MS has the xbx 2 planed for some time in 5 years give or take 2.
I ahve a dieing DVD palyer it cant read some dvds right half the time,but it reads copies jsut fine 0-o
whitch is the damnest thign I ever saw.
My pS2 runs well for rebuilt,it dose have slowdown issues I want tog et a 60-80 solderless mod chip for it....but I wonder if I should break down and get a slim line ><,or take it apart and check all the heatsink mats.
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21. August 2006 @ 04:04 |
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I was fool enough to buy a PS2. It is the most overrated piece of crap. The build quality is non-existant, as a dvd player - well what can I say? It sucks big time.
If the PS2 is anything to go by, then I hope all the prats at sony are out of a job soon.
They deserve to go bust, bunch of shysters, out to screw the consumer with shoddy goods. They had a name synonymous with quality, there name is now linked to a steaming pile of crap.
Now we have these stupid threads like this, "Sony is great", what a load of b*llocks. What the hell do these children know about quality? F*ck all that's what. This place is full of these fanboys, "my X box is better than your PS2, the PS3 will be better than the X box" all full of crap. All full of supposition & guessing. Get a friggin' life.
Who the hell gives a crap? The X box suffered dire power supply & overheating problems. Don't you bunch of boneheads realise these companies are just taking the p*ss? They take your (or should I say parents) money, hard earned money, "Mummy I want, I want", & all you get is second rate goods!
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Ok so anyone want to answer my 30/60/90 fps question?
as I understnad it 30FPS is the starting number for what the human eye can see in smooth motion,60 is even better but most TVs and such are limited to 30fps,but at 60 fps there are more codeing trcks to prevent laging ,of corse with more "math" in between the frames better physics can be done?
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and the 360 is oh so better...not...from what I seen the PS2 has about as many issues as the 360 has had so far,meaning the PS2 is a bit better built.
If you hate all the games you got..soemtiems it your choice might suck..I know soemtiems mine dose....least half of my 12 PS2 games have been medicoreness ><....altho teh cube has not been much better....neither is the pc..danm I am picky SOB >>
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21. August 2006 @ 04:47 |
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I was fool enough to buy a PS2. It is the most overrated piece of crap. The build quality is non-existant, as a dvd player - well what can I say? It sucks big time.
If the PS2 is anything to go by, then I hope all the prats at sony are out of a job soon.
They deserve to go bust, bunch of shysters, out to screw the consumer with shoddy goods. They had a name synonymous with quality, there name is now linked to a steaming pile of crap.
You cant use a PS2 DVD drive as a everyday player it said this in the owner guide i guess you didnt read that.But i guess its Sony fault because you didn't read this.The only true problem Sony had with there DVD drive was that sometime for no reason the Drivers would stop working but within 2 months Sony fixed this problem with a disk that will install the new driver on your memorycard.If you call Sony 1-800 number they would ship the disk for free i know i got one.
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21. August 2006 @ 04:58 |
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the human eye cant see past 30 fps thus makeing the whole 60FPS anything saying 60FPS is a marketing scheme to lure in thos that only want mindless power.
the PS3 can do it but not fully proly will take 3 or so years for them to ahve games in full 60 fps but even then its not needed,altho I can see some tricks gimmicks that would make fps more neat when at full 60FPS however msot fps need better design more than they need more power.....and well...that goes for most games....
As you wish http://www.100fps.com/how_many_frames_can_humans_see.htm
So as you watch movie in cinema and it have 24fps for example, one frame is shown 3 times making it realy 72fps. Thats should be answer to your question, even in CS default fps_max is 72. I think its enough to be happy. More will make motion more fluid but i don't think its much needed.
Think for a minute if ps2 had already games in 640x480 at 60 fps, why few times more powerful ps3 can't show 60 fps in 1280x720p ?
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21. August 2006 @ 05:21 |
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I never modded any of my PS2's, if I had Best Buy would not have taken them back under their extended warranty I made sure I purchased. I only used it to play games, watch DVD's I made with Nero Vision and Roxio Easy DVD copy. (wasn't sure if I could say that so I just went with backups but it got taken as I modded my PS2 I guess)
There are plenty of people who had the laser lens problem and had to get new PS2's because of it or find the guide to find out how to replace the laser lens and do it themselves.
On the other hand my Xbox has been hardmodded for 2+ years and not a problem.
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21. August 2006 @ 05:38 |
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I cant say that i have seen too much inflation of video game prices. I think whoever kept saying that is really forgetting that even back in 1985 with the NES some games were $49.99. Sega genesis had a few games between $60 to $70 but today the games usually still run $49.99 so i still dont see too much of inflation in the price of video games.
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21. August 2006 @ 05:54 |
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@Zippy
if your thinking of getting a new ps2 you may as wel get a slimline basicly all laser and heat issues have been fixed with the latest versions. Or get a Hard drive in your curent ps2 and play games using that, its what i do so i get no wear at all on my laser.
@tnarules
the xbox drive lasts, because its basicly just a (IDE?) PC drive with different firmware on it, the ps2 runs a custom built one that has a very cheap laser in it.
I thought that the game prices had already been released somewhere? maybe i was just reading estimates or something but i think it was around $70.
Hopefully the amount of delays have given sony some time to fine tune the system and remove most bugs before release.
One thing i wanted o know, when the ps3 starts using software emulation for ps2 games will it be possible for someone to then modify sonys emu to work on PC, effectivly creating a fully working emu for PC's that can power it?
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21. August 2006 @ 06:36 |
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The PS2 was marketed as a games console & dvd player, the fact remains that as a dvd player it does not work very well, it hardly reads burnt dvds.
It's Sonys' fault I didn't read the manual....
Yawn....
Your attempt at sarcasm is indeed a futile one & will not work with me. But hey, I guess all the console kiddies know best.
I know a chap who is on his 5th 360..
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pretty much know all that,and that msot TVs cant do 60FPS thus makeing is pointless unless you a HD TV.
looking past the 30fps limit on most TVs and that humans cant realy precive much past 50,thus 60 is nice but almsot pointless for a console system the PS3 has HDMI so thats a bonus but only higher up 1rst party devs will even try it everyone else will stick to easy stuff and ports forget it.
unless the its a port of a PC game that dose 60FPS *L*
I dotn see the 360 even able to do 60fps 0-o
when the next next gen is out in 5-8 years thats when well see FPSs being pushed...but even then do we want them to they have already abandon fun and inovative gamepaly for bland and boreing gamepaly..its goign to get worse befor it gets better ><
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I ahvent been buying new new games in almsot 10 years *L*
so I guess mostare always around 50 *L* it just seems there gettign less and less worht it.
I'll put it to you like this unless I want the game badly I wont spend more than 20 on it 0-o
I am somewhat kicking myself for spending 30 on prey Collectors ed 0_o its a nice game but not worth 30....
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Uummmm PS2 emu??...uumm didnt you get the memo Sony bult PS2 hardware into the PS3.
s there wnt be no redeving it for PC and anyway the PS2 is bearly eumed its goign to take 10 years to emu the PS3 right ><
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21. August 2006 @ 06:57 |
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hate to tell you but reading "homemade" dvds is nto a prper funtion of any 2nd or 3rd gen DVD palyer,becuse DVD writers where not abaliable to the masses....
Sure the PS2 is not perfect, and has issues but in all is alot better than the horror of the 360.
and add all the PSX and PS2 games you can paly alot more fun.
I have 3 friends that are onthier 2nd ,3rd and 2nd,one enjoys his so much he dosent care,hey if you like it like it I woud be pissed...altho if it had full BWC I would have one by now....
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21. August 2006 @ 08:10 |
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y know, with all the talk on the system, wat are the GAMES gonna cost, im they are on Blu-ray
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21. August 2006 @ 08:15 |
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frist thigns frist the game have to be on BR and thats not for at least 3 years,with that said in 3 year time the price of the bank media will be what under 10? so take soething like Oblivion retail day 1 and add 10 it should not be more than that if anythign it might be less than that,but I feel comfy with a 60 as the starting price,relooking over some stuff most games are 50-60 with rare "high brand" games hitting 70
but even with BR the price should spike to much unless sony is desprate to reclaim more cash and trys to bump up some prices 0_o
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