I realized that I don't actually get the speeds I select...

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  1. Draugr

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    I have a NEC 3520a and a BenQ DW1650, and I can't get them to burn as fast as they are supposed to. If I select 8x on my NEC, it will actually cap out at 4x. If I select 16x on my BenQ, it will fluctuate between 2.4x-4x, but sometimes will climb to 10x where it will die, and resume from 1x. I've tried all kinds of software, Imgburn, Nero, CloneDVD, etc, but it also burns the same slow. I'm using good media as well(MCC-004), but I've tried some crappy media(RicohJPN, Ritek) with the same results. I've tried different write types(DAO, SAO, Packet) with the same results. All my hard drives are DMA enabled. I don't know what else to try... Is my computer too crappy to burn at anything higher than 4x? I don't think so, but it is pretty old. Perhaps, my PSU can't provide enough power causing the drive to "die?" Need more RAM? Faster CPU? My laptop is quite a bit better, but I would need to buy an enclosure....

    Amd Athlon 64 3200+ @ 2.2Ghz
    Asus K8V SE Deluxe Mobo
    ATI Radeon 9800 PRO 128MB Video Card
    2 x 512MB RAM
    WD 80GB SATA Drive(Windows XP PRO SP2)
    WD 250GB IDE Drive(Storage)
    WD 320GB External Drive(Storage)
    400W PSU
     
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  2. dolphin2

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    Can you post one of your Nero logs? It will hold some clues as to what is going on with your system.
     
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    Ok, just burned something at 16x on MCC-004. You would expect 5-7 minute burn, nah I got a 16 minute one. What's this? It failed verification too! This drive has only given me grief. :(

    Windows XP 5.1
    IA32
    WinAspi: File 'Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=2.0.1.74, size=164112 bytes, created 3/29/2006 5:15:30 PM
    ahead WinASPI: File 'C:\Program Files\Ahead\Nero\Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=2.0.1.74, size=164112 bytes, created 10/26/2004 6:35:34 PM
    Nero Version: 6.6.0.18
    Internal Version: 6, 6, 0, 18e

    Recorder: <BENQ DVD DD DW1650> Version: BCHC - HA 1 TA 0 - 6.6.0.18
    Adapter driver: <atapi> HA 1
    Drive buffer : 2048kB
    Bus Type : default (0) -> ATAPI, detected: ATAPI
    CD-ROM: <BENQ DVD DD DW1650 >Version: BCHC - HA 1 TA 0 - 6.6.0.18
    Adapter driver: <atapi> HA 1

    === Scsi-Device-Map ===
    DiskPeripheral : WDC WD2500JB-00GVA0 atapi Port 0 ID 1 DMA: On
    CdRomPeripheral : BENQ DVD DD DW1650 atapi Port 1 ID 0 DMA: On
    OtherPeripheral : Promise RAID Console 1.00 fasttx2k Port 2 ID 4 DMA: Off
    DiskPeripheral : WDC WD800JD-22LSA0 06.0 viasraid Port 3 ID 0 DMA: Off

    === CDRom-Device-Map ===
    BENQ DVD DD DW1650 D: CDRom0
    =======================

    AutoRun : 1
    Excluded drive IDs:
    WriteBufferSize: 83886080 (0) Byte
    ShowDrvBufStat : 0
    BUFE : 0
    Physical memory : 1022MB (1047216kB)
    Free physical memory: 536MB (548888kB)
    Memory in use : 47 %
    Uncached PFiles: 0x0
    Use Inquiry : 1
    Global Bus Type: default (0)
    Check supported media : Disabled (0)

    3.5.2006
    UDF/ISO compilation
    11:56:32 AM #1 Phase 112 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
    DVD-Video files reallocation started

    11:56:33 AM #2 Phase 114 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
    DVD-Video files reallocation completed (no file modified)

    11:56:33 AM #3 Text 0 File Isodoc.cpp, Line 6359
    UDF document burn settings
    ------------------------------------------
    Determine maximum speed : TRUE
    Simulate : FALSE
    Write : TRUE
    Finalize CD : TRUE
    Multisession : FALSE
    Burning mode : DAO
    Mode : 1
    UDF Mode : UDF/ISO bridge
    UDF Revision : 1.02
    UDF Partition Type : physical
    ISO Level : 1 (Max. of 11 = 8 + 3 char)
    Character set : ISO 9660
    Joliet :FALSE
    Allow pathdepth more than 8 directories : TRUE
    Allow more than 255 characters in path : TRUE
    Write ISO9660 ;1 file extensions : TRUE

    11:56:33 AM #4 Phase 111 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
    DVD-Video files sorted

    11:56:33 AM #5 Text 0 File Reader.cpp, Line 127
    Reader running

    11:56:33 AM #6 Text 0 File Writer.cpp, Line 122
    Writer BENQ DVD DD DW1650 running

    11:56:33 AM #7 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3309
    First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)

    11:56:33 AM #8 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3309
    First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)

    11:56:33 AM #9 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3233
    Turn on Disc-At-Once, using DVD media

    11:56:33 AM #10 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 270
    Last possible write address on media: 2295103 (510:01.28, 4482MB)
    Last address to be written: 2277695 (506:09.20, 4448MB)

    11:56:33 AM #11 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 282
    Write in overburning mode: NO (enabled: CD)

    11:56:33 AM #12 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 2483
    Recorder: BENQ DVD DD DW1650, Media type: DVD+R

    11:56:33 AM #13 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 448
    >>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<<
    =========================================

    11:56:33 AM #14 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 838
    Setup items (after recorder preparation)
    0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 ()
    2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
    original disc pos #0 + 2277696 (2277696) = #2277696/506:9.21
    relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/ required, no patch infos
    -> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 2277696 blocks [BENQ DVD DD DW1650]
    --------------------------------------------------------------

    11:56:33 AM #15 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 1051
    Prepare recorder [BENQ DVD DD DW1650] for write in CUE-sheet-DAO
    DAO infos:
    ==========
    MCN: ""
    TOCType: 0x00; Session Closed, disc fixated
    Tracks 1 to 1:
    1: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos 0 0 4664721408, ISRC ""
    DAO layout:
    ===========
    __Start_|____Track_|_Idx_|_CtrlAdr_|_RecDep__________
    0 | lead-in | 0 | 0x41 | 0x00
    0 | 1 | 0 | 0x41 | 0x00
    0 | 1 | 1 | 0x41 | 0x00
    2277696 | lead-out | 1 | 0x41 | 0x00

    11:56:33 AM #16 Phase 24 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
    Caching of files started

    11:56:33 AM #17 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 4122
    Cache writing successful.

    11:56:33 AM #18 Phase 25 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
    Caching of files completed

    11:56:33 AM #19 Phase 28 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
    Speed measurement started

    11:56:33 AM #20 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2661
    Verifying disc position of item 0 (relocatable, disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0

    11:59:13 AM #21 Text 0 File WriterStatus.cpp, Line 116
    <BENQ DVD DD DW1650 > start writing Lead-Out at LBA 2277696 (22C140h), lenght 0 blocks

    11:59:13 AM #22 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 228
    all writers idle, stopping conversion

    11:59:14 AM #23 Phase 29 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1781
    Speed measurement completed: 20.9x (28,968 KB/s)

    11:59:14 AM #24 Phase 36 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
    Burn process started at 16x (22,160 KB/s)

    11:59:14 AM #25 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2661
    Verifying disc position of item 0 (relocatable, disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0

    11:59:14 AM #26 SCSI -1066 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1182
    SCSI Exec, HA 1, TA 0, LUN 0, buffer 0x04B50400
    Status: 0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR)
    HA-Status 0x00 (0x00, OK)
    TA-Status 0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND)
    Sense Key: 0x05 (KEY_ILLEGAL_REQUEST)
    Sense Code: 0x24
    Sense Qual: 0x00
    CDB Data: 0xAD 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x08 0x04 0x00 0x00
    Sense Data: 0x70 0x00 0x05 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x12
    0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x24 0x00

    11:59:14 AM #27 CDR -1207 File DVDR.cpp, Line 5306
    Book Type automatically set to: Current recorder setting

    11:59:14 AM #28 Text 0 File DVDPlusRW.cpp, Line 659
    Start write address at LBA 0
    DVD high compatibility mode: Yes

    12:14:18 PM #29 Text 0 File WriterStatus.cpp, Line 116
    <BENQ DVD DD DW1650 > start writing Lead-Out at LBA 2277696 (22C140h), lenght 0 blocks

    12:14:18 PM #30 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 228
    all writers idle, stopping conversion

    12:15:01 PM #31 Phase 37 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
    Burn process completed successfully at 16x (22,160 KB/s)

    12:15:01 PM #32 Phase 78 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
    Data verification started

    12:20:08 PM #33 SCSI -1128 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1436
    SCSI Exec, HA 1, TA 0, LUN 0, buffer 0x04B70C00
    Status: 0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR)
    HA-Status 0x00 (0x00, OK)
    TA-Status 0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND)
    Sense Key: 0x03 (KEY_MEDIUM_ERROR)
    Sense Code: 0x11
    Sense Qual: 0x00
    CDB Data: 0x28 0x00 0x00 0x22 0xC0 0xA0 0x00 0x00 0x10 0x00 0x00 0x00
    Sense Data: 0x70 0x00 0x03 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x12
    0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x11 0x00

    12:20:08 PM #34 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 228
    all writers idle, stopping conversion

    12:20:08 PM #35 SectorVerify 20 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 9998
    Read errors from sector 2277536 to 2277551

    12:20:08 PM #36 Phase 81 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
    Data verification failed


    Existing drivers:
    File 'Drivers\atapi.sys': Ver=5.1.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158), size=95360 bytes, created 8/3/2004 10:59:44 PM (Adapter driver for rec)

    Registry Keys:
    HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\WinLogon\AllocateCDROMs : 0 (Security Option)
     
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    just passing.....as i had just found a thread with new firmware for the DW1650 - http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/1/338028#1983408

    anyways.... -

    - there's one big problem, DMA needs to be ON for ALL drives.

    - ouch, the other big problem - the details of the blanks discs aren't present ie the firmware doesn't recognise those discs; this is similar to what you should see -
    - ie a 3line paragraph when the firmware's up to date/is able to recognise the discs

    - here's what i think of Nero verification http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/1/319812#1860040 :)
     
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    Hi Creaky,

    I should have stated in my first post that I am using the BCHC firmware. As for DMA, I have set my IDE controllers to DMA, if available, but one on each controller says not applicable..
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]

    How do I get Nero to recognize my discs? I am on BCHC and using MCC-004.

    If you need any pictures or anything, let me know.. I really want this to get fixed...
     
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    creaky Moderator Staff Member

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    re the discs, that is extremely odd, i use MCC004 quite happily in my Benq, at 8x or the odd 16x.

    as to the DMA, not sure how to get DMA on for the RAID controller or that other port that sounds like a RAID port..


    edit-



    Well waddya know, i get almost the same errors in my logs for MCC004 on my BENQ DW1650. All my burns were fine as i've watched the resulting movies on those discs so i know they're fine. However i'm sending all my unopened MCC004 back to the supplier anyway (i had one burn blip on me so i'm sending them all back to replace with Verbatim Taiyo Yuden (cus i can lol), so i've done some test burns on other discs i have. What i'll do is do some test burnms and check my own Nero logfile..



    - same problem as you for [bold]ALL[/bold] my MCC004 burns (ie the 1liner without the disc info..

    - very similar problem to you, however all mine have actually worked, regardless of these errors in the logs.. -


    - burnt a 4x rewritable dvd for something i was doing, and it gave the correct detail for that disc

    - one of my olde worlde normal 8x Verbatim discs (that give me immense trouble on my LG 4163B/4167 drives). this was fine too

    - a sexy 8x Verbatim Taiyo Yuden, this was fine too


    To summarise, it would appear that MCC004 aren't properly supported in the DW1650's firmware, from the Nero log snippets anyway. i'm gonna have to do some digging on the cdfreaks forums...

    I wouldn't have noticed this without seeing your post as i check my burns via watching/recopying them, so would only have looked at my own Nero log if i'd have hit a problem...

    more to follow :).......
     
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    @creaky

    Didn't solidburn learn the disc's? My MCC 004 show up as a learned media.

    I will keep my eye on this thread.
     
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    Interesting that they wouldn't support MCC-004's...
     
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    hi

    ata guess i would say check your ASPI layer is installed ok? and CD drives on a fasttrack dont go as they are mainly for hard drives

    and you are burning to fast too with your problems

    uninstall those ide drivers and get VIA 4in1 and install them
     
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    I just used a RICOHJPN R03 @ 4x and it still gave me the one liner. Do you have any of those to test?

    @Rotary

    I installed that VIA 4in1 when I installed windows. What I don't get is this:
    OtherPeripheral: Promise RAID Console 1.00 fasttx2k Port 2 ID 4 DMA: Off
    DiskPeripheral: WDC WD800JD-22LSA0 06.0 viasraid Port 3 ID 0 DMA: Off

    But, if you looke at the VIA Raid Tool, it says that drive is in DMA mode...:

    [​IMG]

     
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  14. dolphin2

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    On the log you posted, your burning very close to the edge of the disc.

    [bold]
    11:56:33 AM #10 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 270
    Last possible write address on media: 2295103 (510:01.28, 4482MB)
    Last address to be written: 2277695 (506:09.20, 4448MB)
    [/bold]

    The lead-out is starting here:

    [bold]
    12:14:18 PM #29 Text 0 File WriterStatus.cpp, Line 116
    <BENQ DVD DD DW1650 > start writing Lead-Out at LBA 2277696 (22C140h), lenght 0 blocks
    [/bold]

    And the errors are here:

    [bold]
    12:20:08 PM #35 SectorVerify 20 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 9998
    Read errors from sector 2277536 to 2277551

    12:20:08 PM #36 Phase 81 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
    Data verification failed
    [/bold]

    The verification errors are occuring close to and within the lead-out area. Try not to burn so close to the edge.
     
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    hi

    doest that via raid tool show the cd drive aswell in there ???? plus you cant raid a cd drive / hard drive together, 2 HD only...

    only this cd drive is seen in nero and maybe device manager? so can only help/test your BENQ DVD DD DW1650 and NOT! your nec.

    yes this one is very interesting? can you check aspi layer is working ok either go to the ASPI folder maybe (adaptec) folder as mines here:

    C:\adaptec\aspi\aspichk.exe

    or use nero info tool to check aspi

    Existing drivers:
    File 'Drivers\atapi.sys': Ver=5.1.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158), size=95360 bytes, created 8/3/2004 10:59:44 PM (Adapter driver for rec)

    no aspi layer

    i am thinking you may have a couple of issues here maybe?
     
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    @Dolphin

    Shrinking down my files a little bit actually fixed that particular problem! Still not getting good scans with MCC-004 though, 2500+ PIF which I know is because my drive can't burn fast enough for their liking.

    @Rotary

    When I took those Screenshots/Nero Log, my NEC was disconnected. Here are updated versions:

    Primary IDE, Device 1 is my 250GB Hard Drive
    [​IMG]

    Secondary IDE with both my drives connected
    [​IMG]

    Nero InfoTool says my ASPI is intalled an working properly.

    Here is the configuration which might be of use..

    [​IMG]

    (Oh, and I realize that my only internal IDE drive is listed as slave, I'll fix that later)
     
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    hi

    just out of curiosity whats this say when you click it?

    C:\adaptec\aspi\aspichk.exe
     
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    C:\Adaptec doesn't exist on my hard drive. Is it something you download?
     
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  19. dolphin2

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    Glad we got the verification error solved.

    Don't know about the speed and disc things. Wonder if that is something to do with the new firmware? Or perhaps QSuite? Still, it is a problem. By any chance did you sent BenQ support an e-mail?
     
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    Yeah, that verification thing was annoying..

    In regards to the speed thing, I had the same problem with BCFC, so I don't think it's exclusive to this firmware. I really should email them about it..

    I ordered some 8x DVD-R Taiyo Yudens from supermediastore, so when they arrive I'll see if my problem is only with MCC-004. If you look at that BenQ Hall of Fame thread you'll notice that I get good scans with RICOHJPN R02 @ 4x. My whole problem with MCC-004 is that they don't burn good at less than 12x which this drive(or my computer) can't achieve.

    (nice same time post! :p)
     
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