Originally posted by stumpied:

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And the truth comes out. . .but lets say we made out decision because this is what the customer wants.

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DRM is not about stopping pirates its about selling licences and global price fixing with region coding by the MPAA, and other **AA, ect globalist media companies using American laws and the WTO to force every nation to agree to their laws!

Since when did we give them the right to control our culture and information, music is dying because of these companies that are just out to make a profit and care little for the quality or depth, only sales

this is what they want:

Sony recently released Warhawk game via PSN. if you purchase it you purchase a NONE transferable licence to play it, you cannot resell it, Lend it or even give it away it is locked to 1 account forever, you cannot even give it away with your ps3 as it is a violation to let anyone use your psn account and can have the account banned for life for this, it's kinda of like purchasing an empty bag, not even other family members can use it on their accounts because of the DRM if you family members want to play warhawk on their accounts they all have to purchase their own copy.

They want all media locked to 1 piece of hardware with 1 licence per user, this is their goal and piracy, is a great excuse to take away the freedoms we have enjoyed with media we own but soon you will only purchase a licence of use!

This is the reason the MPAA want Drm-Ray to succeed because as a final countermeasure against piracy with DRM-Rays BD+ DRM, studios can run ANY code they wish, including phone home authorisation and the ability to disable your hardware if you are running any hacks including a region code hack so you can watch films in your language where ever you live in the world.

@ ZippyDSM

its locked to 1 account but you can move it to 5.... here you go:

http://threespeech.com/blog/?p=575

Originally posted by above link:

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In order to protect our investment in this ground-breaking game and maintain our ability to offer a 24-hour free online gameplay experience, SCE will be utilizing an alternative Digital Rights Management (DRM) policy for the downloadable version of Warhawk. The downloadable version of Warhawk, which will be available from the PLAYSTATION Store on Thursday 30th August, will be directly tied to the registered PLAYSTATION Network (PSN) account that purchased the game. Only that registered PSN account will be authenticated for gameplay. You will still be able to download the game to up to five PS3 systems. However, if a user downloads Warhawk onto a different machine, he / she will only be able to play via the original PSN user account on that machine and could not play on a different machine for 24 hours.

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it is locked to 1 account and you cannot sell it on transfer, give away ect, ect ect. you will never get a return from your outlay on a game console, game, does this just sound like what the future holds, 1 licence per person that you cannot sell on?

is this what BD+ is going to be used for in the future, locking media to 1 ip address or 1 account so the second hand market becomes none existent!

no DRM will ever work because every piece of code is able to be reverse engineered or bypassed, even HDCP has been broken as you can get a card for your pc that does this, so the industry's war on targeting professional criminals with DRM is a huge lie as its the normal consumer that loses out from locked up content that you cannot time shift and you are forced yet again to purchase the same media you own in another format because they keep changing the hardware and making content incompatible!

Originally posted by tefarko:

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ant-DRM is not pro-piracy, itŽs pro-consumer, pro-freedom...

I wonŽt buy a $50 movie to find out I canŽt play it on my player because the player maker got its HDCP keys revoked for some unspecified reason or that it will be played in lo-res because itŽs a different brand...

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to follow on; To time shift so your investment to protect it, which is illegal because of DRM so you end up having to purchase all new media for the new equipment!

@ sciascia

you could move any media to any of your portable devices but this leads back to the media companies wanting to sell 1 licence per device per user which is what the studios use DRM for, price fixing. If Drm-Ray didn't have region locks on you could purchase films from the USA long before they are released in the UK and half price even after shipping costs but BD+ on DRM(Blu)-Ray stops you from using imported films by shutting down the player.

DRM = Global Price Fixing & propertarian lock in's, this is seen in Sony's products through out the range like PsP UMD media, memory card duo & the bravia's "Theatre Sync" which is restricted by sony to only control other sony products!

then you see another form of lockins in action with sony's deal with amazon that will see europe and especially the UK pay much higher prices for digital mp3's

Apple to cut UK download prices

this is because of the studios price fixing in europe which is against the law!

Originally posted by FTA above hyperlink:

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Apple is now taking action against record labels that charge more to distribute music in the UK than in the rest of Europe.
The EU was investigating whether the iTunes store violated its competition rules because each country had its own store and consumers were only allowed to download music if they have a credit card from a bank registered in that country.

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and now sony's new drm free amazon store, still global price fixing for digitally distributed media!

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And here goes good old Sony with their global price fixing!

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/n...t-sony-drm-free

Originally posted by link:

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AS PREVIOUSLY predicted by the INQ, Sony BMG has decided to abandon DRM on MP3 tracks it is currently selling via the Amazon MP3 beta site. The bad news is that the service is presently restricted to US customers only.

Efforts to defeat the system and try to purchase items from outside the USA – even if you use a false address and telephone number – will fail since the service checks against your credit card number for your origin.

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DRM by the back door, credit card checks because DRM in media is so unpopular and finally ppl realise its about restricting sales to regions and fixing prices!

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@ ChromeMud

The movie studios are closing the analouge hole and forcing us all to purchase new equipment because of HDCP (HDMI DRM) old equipment even some new lcd/plasma screens do not conform to the latest DRM and have all HD signals blocked, this is not a joke its reality and happening now, and the ICT is what will be switched on around 2010 to down res any equipment that is not hobbled enough because of the MPAA. this has been common knowlege for a long time but kept from main stream media as they have a lot of old stock to sell before they flick the switch!

http://www.boingboing.net/2006/05/23/hdmi-the-manchurian-.html

Originally posted by link:

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Hollywood studios and some CE manufacturers have reportedly entered into an informal agreement to hold off on using the "image constraint token" in HDMI DRM until 2010 or 2012. The image constraint token is a flag in a video signal that instructs receivers, DVD players and other high-definition sources to "down-rez" their output to a low-definition signal when connecting to an "untrusted" screen or other sink.

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Originally posted by sciascia :

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Originally posted by nobrainer:

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@ sciascia

you could move any media to any of your portable devices

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Yes but now they have removed the process of you ripping a movie onto your PC then shrinking the file size and all that good stuff. I'm not saying there are doing anything revolutionary, but this is a step in the right direction in terms of enticements to make joe everyman want to buy into the new format. Still though, more is needed.

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NO you are wrong they are giving you more propertarian media that is only compatible with the psp ffs, name me one other device that uses psp UMD, where is the mp4 file for ppl's smart phones and iPods, it doesn't exist as sony want to lock all content to their hardware.

DRM is about selling multiple licences, global price fixing and monopolising nothing more and the scare factor they use to take away your rights is piracy!

Please try to read all my above post! http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/612947#3703213

Originally posted by sciascia:

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The point was that they are experimenting with adding content other than just some deleted scenes and commentary tracks, and that is a good thing, because right now, rebuying your DVD collection is pointless.

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its completly pointlees moving away from DVD with upscaling dvd players on the market and with css (dvd drm) smashed beyond repair you can do anything you like with the content on them!

Downgrading to Drm-Ray or Hd-DvD is just losing the ability to do what you want with media you own!