okay here is everything i have done. 1. downloaded a large avi file (music concert) 2. used winavi to convert my avi to dvd these were my encode settings(dont know if this helps). source target rate AUTO source aspect ratio AUTO picture clip left 0% picture clip top 0% picture clip right 0% picture clip bottom 0% adjust aspect ratio for pictures-not ticked soften picture-not ticked upside down picture-not ticked DVD SETTINGS constant video quality-medium split the output file, size 1013mb constant video size-not ticked set chapter length-150 seconds TARGET FORMAT-AUTO ASPECT RATIO-AUTO preference-by speed audio bitrate 192000 enable directAC3 AND SET TARGET FORMAT AS DVD. 3.used nero smartstart and put these files in video ts folder VIDEO_TS VIDEO_TS.BUP VTS_01_0 VTS_01_0.BUP VTS_01_1 (nero show time file 1,039,538kb) VTS_01_2 (nero show time file 1,039,028kb) VTS_01_3 (nero show time file 1,038,540kb) VTS_01_4 (nero show time file 374,992kb) 4.put it in my xbox it worked fine, put it in my ps2 it worked fine, put it in my p.c it worked fine, but it will not work in dvd players. p.s i am using dvd-r disks. i did not use dvd shrink or dvd decryptor or any of the programs. should i use some of the programs?????