First off i would like to say THANKS for all who help with this site. I was a noob to copying dvds a week ago and now copy them with the ease of plain old cds. To all new comers...This process takes some work. You just have to find out what works best with your hardware. I wasted about 15 disks before i prefected my method! But i finally got it. Use the guides, they help out the most. I asked 2 questions on the fourms and didnt get much help because the "pros" dont want to read the guides for you. What i do is first decrypt ALL dvs with dvd decryptor regardless of the size, them i will use dvd shrink for the rest of the process. So i basically decrypt twice... One other thing i did was went out and bought nice media. That is one key factor. Thanks again to everyone who helps out, and keep up the good work!