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Need help burning DL-DVDs!

Discussion in 'Nero discussion' started by sithlord1, Sep 17, 2007.

  1. sithlord1

    sithlord1 Member

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    Hi! I'm new on this forum and to DVD burning. I'm having problems burning DL DVDs. I checked other threads on here and in other forums, but haven't found a solution that worked for me so far. Recently I tried to burn both copy protected and non-copy protected DVDs. For those not protected I used Nero 7 without any other software. The copy process worked fine, no error messages. But when I play back the disks on either a DVD player or on my computer, the picture freezes around halfway through the disk (I guess at the layer break point), and won't play past that point, unless I stop the disk and play a few chapters after that. Sometimes even that doesn't work, and I have to eject the disk before I can play it again. On the computer CyberLink Power DVD freezes as well and won't react, so that I have to exit the program. I used AnyDVD, DVD43 (not installed at the same time) to decrypt copy protected disks, and either Nero 7, ImgBurn or DVD Shrink to burn them, all with the same result. I use a new (about a month) Pioneer DVR-112 CH drive, and Windows XP Pro. Using DVD Shrink to compress DL disks to DVD5s works well, apart from picture quality loss. But I prefer making 1:1 copies without compression, so the only way is to write to DL DVDs.
    The funny thing is, the first couple of (non-copy protected) DVDs I burned with Nero can be played just fine. The player seems to handle the layer break without problems. Only after I installed AnyDVD to break the copy-protection did I start having problems. Is it possible that AnyDVD screwed up the way Nero or ImgBurn burns DVDs? Should I try uninstalling it? If the blanks are no good how come the ones I burned before work? Any help or experiences with this kind of problem would be greatly appreciated! Thanks
     
  2. laddyboy

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    To backup commercial DL DVDs, use AnyDVD and DVD Decrypter. With AnyDVD running in the background, use DVD Decrypter in ISO Read mode to rip the ISO image to your HDD. There will be two files, the ISO image and the companion MDF extension file that contains info about the image. Next set DVD Decrypter to ISO Write mode, select the MDF companion file as the source and your burner as the destination and burn. For burning you can replace DVD Decrypter with ImgBurn, but there is no real need to do so.

    You need to also make sure your burner firmware is up to date and that you are using decent quality media. Verbatim +R DL is the best media bar none and is the easiest and most problem-free for all burners. You can locate burner firmware at the vendor's support site, at your computer vender's support site if it came with your system, and at databases such as the following:

    http://forum.rpc1.org/dl_all.php

    The newest firmware for your 112 seems to be version 1.22 available here:

    http://forum.rpc1.org/dl_firmware.php?download_id=2385


    http://www.mrbass.org/dvdrip/SetupDVDDecrypter_3.5.4.0.exe
    http://www.imgburn.com
     
  3. sithlord1

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    I don't think the problem is with my drive. As I said, everything worked just perfect with Nero before I installed AnyDVD. There is no freeze on DL discs on either the Pioneer or the standalone player. So it can't be a hardware problem. I'm thinking of uninstalling AnyDVD, DVD Shrink etc. and just use Nero to burn. It worked the first time. Here is the latest Nero log. Maybe someone can make sense of what went wrong?

    AutoRun : 1
    Excluded drive IDs:
    WriteBufferSize: 74448896 (0) Byte
    BUFE : 0
    Physical memory : 511MB (523740kB)
    Free physical memory: 245MB (251880kB)
    Memory in use : 51
    Uncached PFiles: 0x0
    Use Inquiry : 1
    Global Bus Type: default (0)
    Check supported media : Disabled (0)

    18.9.2007
    NeroAPI
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    DVD-Video files reallocation started

    22:30:14 #2 Phase 114 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 282
    DVD-Video files reallocation completed (no file modified)

    22:30:14 #3 Phase 111 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 282
    DVD-Video files sorted

    22:30:15 #4 Text 0 File SCSIPTICommands.cpp, Line 411
    LockMCN - completed sucessfully for IOCTL_STORAGE_MCN_CONTROL

    22:30:15 #5 Text 0 File AudioCompilationImpl.cpp, Line 838
    DRM: StartDrmRecording(RealRec:1, ImageRec:0, Copies:1)
    DRM: Beginning burn process.

    22:30:15 #6 ISO9660GEN -11 File Geniso.cpp, Line 3332
    First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)

    22:30:15 #7 ISO9660GEN -11 File Geniso.cpp, Line 3332
    First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)

    22:30:15 #8 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3467
    Turn on Disc-At-Once, using DVD media

    22:31:28 #9 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 306
    Last possible write address on media: 2295103 (510:01.28, 4482MB)
    Last address to be written: 2285263 (507:50.13, 4463MB)

    22:31:28 #10 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 318
    Write in overburning mode: NO

    22:31:28 #11 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 2929
    Recorder: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-112, Media type: DVD+R
    Disc Manufacturer ID: DAXON, Media Type ID: AZ3, Product revision number: 0
    Disc Application Code: 0, Extended Information Indicators: 7

    22:31:28 #12 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 490
    >>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<<
    =========================================
    Insert empty disc to write to.
    (Medium in drive: unknown. Medium required by compilation: DVD R/RW, DVD R DL, DVD-RAM.)
    Not enough free discspace.
    (Medium in drive: DVD+R. Medium required by compilation: DVD R/RW, DVD R DL, DVD-RAM.)

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    Setup items (after recorder preparation)
    0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 ()
    2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
    original disc pos #0 + 2285264 (2285264) = #2285264/507:50.14
    relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/ required
    -> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 2285264 blocks [L: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-112]
    --------------------------------------------------------------

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    Prepare [L: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-112] for write in CUE-sheet-DAO
    DAO infos:
    ==========
    MCN: ""
    TOCType: 0x00; Session Closed, disc fixated
    Tracks 1 to 1: Idx 0 Idx 1 Next Trk
    1: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos 0 0 4680220672, ISRC ""
    DAO layout:
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    ___Start_|____Track_|_Idx_|_CtrlAdr_|_____Size_|______NWA_|_RecDep__________
    0 | lead-in | 0 | 0x41 | 0 | 0 | 0x00
    0 | 1 | 0 | 0x41 | 2285264 | 0 | 0x00
    0 | 1 | 1 | 0x41 | 2285264 | 0 | 0x00
    2285264 | lead-out | 1 | 0x41 | 0 | 0 | 0x00

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    SPTILockVolume - completed successfully for FCTL_LOCK_VOLUME

    22:31:28 #16 Phase 24 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 282
    Caching of files started

    22:31:28 #17 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 4351
    Cache writing successful.

    22:31:28 #18 Phase 25 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 282
    Caching of files completed

    22:31:28 #19 Phase 36 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 282
    Burn process started at 4x (5,540 KB/s)

    22:31:28 #20 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2712
    Verifying disc position of item 0 (relocatable, disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0

    22:31:28 #21 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 9261
    ---- DVD Structure: Physical Format Information (00h) ----
    Media Type: 0, Layer: 0, Address: 0 (0 h), AGID: 0; Length: 2050
    Book Type: DVD+R (10), Part Version: 1.0x (1)
    Disc Size: 120 mm, Maximum Rate: <not specified> (F h)
    Number of Layers: 1, Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP), Layer Type: recordable
    Linear Density: 0,267 um/bit, Track Density: 0,74 um/track
    Starting Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 30000 h (DVD-ROM, DVD-R/-RW, DVD+R/+RW)
    End Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 26053F h
    End Sector Number in Layer 0: 0 h (LBN: FFFD0000 h, 4193920 MB)
    Data in Burst Cutting Area (BCA) does not exist
    Disc Application Code: 0 / 0 h
    Extended Information indicators: 7 h
    Disc Manufacturer ID: DAXON...
    Media type ID: AZ3
    Product revision number: 0
    Number of Physical format information bytes in use in ADIP up to byte 63: 56
    Media Specific [16..63]:
    00 00 07 44 41 58 4F 4E - 00 00 00 41 5A 33 00 38 ...DAXON...AZ3.8
    23 54 37 14 00 23 6F 00 - 7D 6A 17 19 0C 0C 0A 0B #T7..#o.}j......
    01 19 1B 0B 0B 0E 0F 01 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................

    22:31:28 #22 SPTI -1066 File SCSIPassThrough.cpp, Line 179
    CdRom0: SCSIStatus(x02) WinError(0) NeroError(-1066)
    Sense Key: 0x05 (KEY_ILLEGAL_REQUEST)
    Sense Code: 0x24
    Sense Qual: 0x00
    CDB Data: 0xAC 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 64 00 00
    Sense Area: 0x70 00 05 00 00 00 00 0E 00 00 00 00 24
    Buffer x031eb140: Len x648

    22:31:28 #23 Text 0 File DVDPlusRW.cpp, Line 674
    Start write address at LBA 0
    DVD high compatibility mode: Yes

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    22:40:18 #123 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1311
    22:40:18.821 - L: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-112 : Queue again later

    22:45:58 #124 Text 0 File WriterStatus.cpp, Line 113
    <L: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-112> start writing Lead-Out at LBA 2285264 (22DED0h), length 0 blocks

    22:46:28 #125 Phase 37 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 282
    Burn process completed successfully at 4x (5,540 KB/s)

    22:46:29 #126 Text 0 File AudioCompilationImpl.cpp, Line 863
    DRM: DRM burn session terminated.

    22:46:29 #127 Text 0 File AudioCompilationImpl.cpp, Line 892
    DRM: Closing entire DRM handling. Bye.

    22:46:29 #128 Text 0 File SCSIPTICommands.cpp, Line 254
    SPTIDismountVolume - completed successfully for FSCTL_DISMOUNT_VOLUME

    22:46:31 #129 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 10538
    DriveLocker: UnLockVolume completed

    22:46:31 #130 Text 0 File SCSIPTICommands.cpp, Line 411
    UnLockMCN - completed sucessfully for IOCTL_STORAGE_MCN_CONTROL


    Existing drivers:

    Registry Keys:
    HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\WinLogon\AllocateCDROMs : 0 (Security Option)

    I realize that the discs I'm using might be low quality. The problem is I live in China, and I'm not sure they sell Verbatim here, I've never seen any. Even if they do you never know if it's the real thing here. So for the time being the "Sony" and "Mitsubishi" DVD+R will have to do. Thanks for the input!
     
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    I think laddyboy would agree that it could most likely be your media. The log that you posted is for a single layer dvd which codes out to be Daxon which I've haven't had good luck burning with my Lite-ons, Benq or Sony burners.

    What was this disk branded?

    Do you have a log for one of your DL burns?

    I agree that you probably will may problems with media there in China. You might try some Moser Baer made in India or Verbatim made in Singapore if you can find it. Moser Baer isn't supported very well here in the 'States by the burners but if you have an Asian market Pioneer you might have more success.

    You can also look for AOne brand or That's brand. I think both of these might be made by Taiyo Yuden.
     
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    It is most likely media related as Hobbitt suggests. Updating your burner firmware may help. AnyDVD doesn't have anything to do with burning; it only affects the reading of disks. Ditto with Shrink. It doesn't have a burn engine and thus a driver to interfere.

    The thing with crappy media is that you can burn halfway through a stack without problems and then never burn another successfully in the same stack. You just never know what's going to happen.


    The above indicates another possible area where you can run into problems with single layer DVD5 media. You'll need to change the target size defaults in Shrink, Nero and other authoring programs to a custom size and enter 4400mb to avoid burning to the outermost edge of the disk.


    Edit: text added below

    You might also try uninstalling Nero, run the Nero Clean Tool for your version as well as the Driver Clean Tool, and then reinstall Nero.

    http://www.nero.com/nero7/enu/Clean_Tools.html


    I've never been impressed with Nero's ability to burn DL media. I prefer ImgBurn myself. The best burning engine in the world won't make a difference, however, if the burner and the media are mismatched.

     
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    Thanks for the advice, Hobbit and Laddyboy. Since you and most other posters here prefer ImgBurn to Nero, I tried burning using ImgBurn this time, the result being a few more coasters. Here is a log of the latest failed burn attempts:

    I 13:26:28 ImgBurn Version 2.3.2.0 started!
    I 13:26:28 Microsoft Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2)
    I 13:26:28 Total Physical Memory: 523,740 KB - Available: 397,916 KB
    W 13:26:28 Drive C:\ (FAT32) does not support single files > 4 GB in size.
    W 13:26:28 Drive D:\ (FAT32) does not support single files > 4 GB in size.
    W 13:26:28 Drive E:\ (FAT32) does not support single files > 4 GB in size.
    W 13:26:28 Drive F:\ (FAT32) does not support single files > 4 GB in size.
    W 13:26:28 Drive G:\ (FAT32) does not support single files > 4 GB in size.
    W 13:26:28 Drive H:\ (FAT32) does not support single files > 4 GB in size.
    W 13:26:28 Drive I:\ (FAT32) does not support single files > 4 GB in size.
    W 13:26:28 Drive J:\ (FAT32) does not support single files > 4 GB in size.
    W 13:26:28 Drive K:\ (FAT32) does not support single files > 4 GB in size.
    I 13:26:28 Initialising SPTI...
    I 13:26:28 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...
    I 13:26:38 Found 1 DVD±RW/RAM!
    I 13:28:08 Operation Started!
    I 13:28:08 Source Device: [1:0:0] PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-112 1.21 (L:) (ATA)
    I 13:28:08 Source Media Type: DVD-ROM
    I 13:28:08 Source Media Sectors: 4,158,972 (Track Path: OTP - L0: 2,083,760 - L1: 2,075,212)
    I 13:28:08 Source Media Volume Identifier: TITANIC_SE_DISC1
    I 13:28:08 Source Media Implementation Identifier: Daikin U.S. Comtec Lab
    I 13:28:08 Source Media File System(s): ISO9660, Joliet, UDF (1.02)
    I 13:28:08 Destination File: E:\TITANIC_SE_DISC1.ISO
    I 13:28:08 Destination Free Space: 10,591,682,560 bytes (10,343,440 KB) (10,101 MB) (9 GB)
    I 13:28:08 Destination File System: FAT32
    I 13:28:08 File Splitting: Auto
    I 13:28:08 Reading Sectors... (LBA: 0 - 4158971)
    I 13:28:08 Reading Layer 0... (LBA: 0 - 2083759)
    I 13:34:36 Reading Layer 1... (LBA: 2083760 - 4158971)
    I 13:46:15 Image MD5: 212bd1260e6c7935c5865be64db4fc16
    I 13:46:15 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:18:03
    I 13:46:15 Average Read Rate: 7,680 KB/s (5.5x) - Maximum Read Rate: 17,334 KB/s (12.5x)
    I 13:51:18 Operation Started!
    I 13:51:18 Source File: E:\TITANIC_SE_DISC1.MDS
    I 13:51:18 Source File Sectors: 4,158,972 (MODE1/2048)
    I 13:51:18 Source File Size: 8,517,574,656 bytes
    I 13:51:18 Source File Volume Identifier: TITANIC_SE_DISC1
    I 13:51:18 Source File Implementation Identifier: Daikin U.S. Comtec Lab
    I 13:51:18 Source File File System(s): ISO9660, Joliet, UDF (1.02)
    I 13:51:18 Destination Device: [1:0:0] PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-112 1.21 (L:) (ATA)
    I 13:51:18 Destination Media Type: DVD+R DL (Disc ID: RICOHJPN-D01-02) (Speeds: 2.4x)
    I 13:51:18 Destination Media Sectors: 4,173,824
    I 13:51:18 Write Mode: DVD
    I 13:51:18 Write Type: DAO
    I 13:51:18 Write Speed: 1x
    I 13:51:18 Link Size: Auto
    I 13:51:18 Test Mode: No
    I 13:51:18 BURN-Proof: Enabled
    I 13:51:19 Optimal L0 Data Zone Capacity: 2,083,760
    I 13:51:19 Optimal L0 Data Zone Method: Copied From Original Disc
    I 13:51:42 Filling Buffer... (20 MB)
    I 13:51:43 Writing LeadIn...
    I 13:51:44 Writing Image... (LBA: 0 - 4158971)
    I 13:51:44 Writing Layer 0... (LBA: 0 - 2083759)
    I 14:13:36 Writing Layer 1... (LBA: 2083760 - 4158971)
    W 14:14:02 Failed to Write Sectors 2094832 - 2094863 - Unknown (Internal Target Failure) (0x44, 0x4B)
    W 14:14:02 Retrying (1 of 20)...
    W 14:14:07 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
    W 14:14:07 Retrying (2 of 20)...
    W 14:14:07 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
    W 14:14:07 Retrying (3 of 20)...
    W 14:14:07 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
    W 14:14:07 Retrying (4 of 20)...
    W 14:14:07 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
    W 14:14:07 Retrying (5 of 20)...
    W 14:14:07 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
    W 14:14:07 Retrying (6 of 20)...
    W 14:14:07 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
    W 14:14:07 Retrying (7 of 20)...
    W 14:14:07 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
    W 14:14:07 Retrying (8 of 20)...
    W 14:14:07 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
    W 14:14:07 Retrying (9 of 20)...
    W 14:14:07 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
    W 14:14:07 Retrying (10 of 20)...
    W 14:14:07 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
    W 14:14:07 Retrying (11 of 20)...
    W 14:14:07 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
    W 14:14:07 Retrying (12 of 20)...
    W 14:14:07 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
    W 14:14:07 Retrying (13 of 20)...
    W 14:14:07 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
    W 14:14:07 Retrying (14 of 20)...
    W 14:14:07 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
    W 14:14:07 Retrying (15 of 20)...
    W 14:14:07 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
    W 14:14:07 Retrying (16 of 20)...
    W 14:14:07 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
    W 14:14:07 Retrying (17 of 20)...
    W 14:14:07 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
    W 14:14:07 Retrying (18 of 20)...
    W 14:14:07 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
    W 14:14:07 Retrying (19 of 20)...
    W 14:14:07 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
    W 14:14:07 Retrying (20 of 20)...
    W 14:14:07 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
    W 14:20:07 Retrying (21)...
    W 14:20:07 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
    W 14:20:17 Retrying (22)...
    W 14:20:17 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
    E 14:20:22 Failed to Write Sectors 2094832 - 2094863 - Unknown (Internal Target Failure) (0x44, 0x4B)
    I 14:20:22 Synchronising Cache...
    I 14:20:23 Closing Track...
    I 14:20:25 Finalising Disc...
    E 14:42:43 Failed to Write Image!
    E 14:42:43 Operation Failed! - Duration: 00:51:25
    I 14:42:43 Average Write Rate: 2,440 KB/s (1.8x) - Maximum Write Rate: 3,375 KB/s (2.4x)
    I 14:50:00 Operation Started!
    I 14:50:00 Source Device: [1:0:0] PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-112 1.21 (L:) (ATA)
    I 14:50:00 Source Media Type: DVD-ROM
    I 14:50:00 Source Media Sectors: 4,158,972 (Track Path: OTP - L0: 2,083,760 - L1: 2,075,212)
    I 14:50:00 Source Media Volume Identifier: TITANIC_SE_DISC1
    I 14:50:00 Source Media Implementation Identifier: Daikin U.S. Comtec Lab
    I 14:50:00 Source Media File System(s): ISO9660, Joliet, UDF (1.02)
    I 14:50:00 Destination File: G:\TITANIC_SE_DISC1.ISO
    I 14:50:00 Destination Free Space: 9,942,138,880 bytes (9,709,120 KB) (9,481 MB) (9 GB)
    I 14:50:00 Destination File System: FAT32
    I 14:50:00 File Splitting: Auto
    I 14:50:00 Reading Sectors... (LBA: 0 - 4158971)
    I 14:50:00 Reading Layer 0... (LBA: 0 - 2083759)
    I 14:56:30 Reading Layer 1... (LBA: 2083760 - 4158971)
    I 15:02:56 Image MD5: 212bd1260e6c7935c5865be64db4fc16
    I 15:02:56 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:12:51
    I 15:02:56 Average Read Rate: 10,788 KB/s (7.8x) - Maximum Read Rate: 14,811 KB/s (10.7x)
    I 15:04:09 Operation Started!
    I 15:04:09 Building Image Tree...
    E 15:04:13 Operation Aborted! - Duration: 00:00:03
    I 15:04:20 Operation Started!
    I 15:04:20 Building Image Tree...
    I 15:04:23 Checking Directory Depth...
    I 15:04:23 Calculating Totals...
    I 15:04:23 Preparing Image...

    Laddyboy, how do you set the exact target size in Nero or ImgBurn? I haven't found that function.
    Hobbit, the media I used were branded Misubishi, but they could be fake. If that's the problem, I will try to find some of the brands you mentioned. Do I need to change any other settings in ImgBurn to increase chances of a successful burn? What settings for layer break do I use? As before I set burn speed to the lowest setting and didn't run any other programs during the whole progress, no other windows open whatsoever. Still no luck. It's frustrating. Burning DVD-5s is no problem, only DL discs won't work.
     
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    As to the firmware update, I get this message on the website http://forum.rpc1.org/dl_firmware.php?download_id=2385 you gave me, Laddyboy:

    These pages are only for advanced users. Bad flashing could destroy your drive definitively. Read carefully the installation notes of your firmware before you upgrade. The Firmware Page and the drive manufacturer can't be responsable on REMEMBER: This is at your own risk!!!!

    That kind of scared me off from downloading. I'm definitely not an advanced user, just a beginner. The last thing I want is destroy my drive!
     
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    Convert your file system to ntfs its fat 32 at the moment look at your error log it shows this W 13:26:28 Drive C:\ (FAT32) does not support single files > 4 GB in size.
    Can’t remember of the top of my head how you do it someone should come along if you can’t do it if don’t ill get back with the answer
     
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    I agree with killalot about converting your file system to ntfs, it's more efficient, stable and IMO faster. I also delayed upgrading to it but have been very please since i did. Just run the command and let it go, it takes a while. It will reboot your machine so it can run by itself so make sure everything else is shut down. Depending on your drive(s) size(s), it could take an hour or so (longer?).

    I've just ordered some DL media that's supposed to code out to RICOHJPN-D01 also. It's supposedly manufactured by Moser Baer and I've heard that it could be good or it could be bad. In other words, can be variable on quality. Won't have the stuff for 2 weeks though.

    With ImgBurn (and every other burning program), turn/shut off any other program running that's not necessary to free up as much memory as posible. Turn off AnyDVD, internet browser, etc. At times I even shut off my anti-virus and networking.

    This blurb in your log, W 14:14:02 Failed to Write Sectors 2094832 - 2094863 - Unknown (Internal Target Failure) (0x44, 0x4B)
    W 14:14:02 Retrying (1 of 20)...
    W 14:14:07 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write

    leads me to believe its your media again.

     
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    There's not much involved in flashing. The utility flasher basically just writes the new firmware to the burners flashable memory. I couldn't begin to estimate the number of firmware flashes I've done without incident. The burner manufacturers wouldn't supply firmware updates if flashing was that big a deal. Normally unless the firmware and the burner matches, the update will not proceed so it's pretty foolproof these days. In the "old" days, theer weren't many safeguards. The warnings are just so people know if something happens, they will accept no responsibility. People used to get dry-mouthed doing the updates when burners cost $250. At $30 a pop, it isn't such a big deal. :)
     
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    Well, I did install the latest firmware, and it didn't kill my drive. However it didn't help with the burning. Yet another coaster! I used ImgBurn. Here's the latest log:

    I 18:49:37 ImgBurn Version 2.3.2.0 started!
    I 18:49:37 Microsoft Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2)
    I 18:49:37 Total Physical Memory: 523,740 KB - Available: 247,552 KB
    W 18:49:37 Drive C:\ (FAT32) does not support single files > 4 GB in size.
    W 18:49:37 Drive D:\ (FAT32) does not support single files > 4 GB in size.
    W 18:49:37 Drive E:\ (FAT32) does not support single files > 4 GB in size.
    W 18:49:37 Drive F:\ (FAT32) does not support single files > 4 GB in size.
    W 18:49:37 Drive G:\ (FAT32) does not support single files > 4 GB in size.
    W 18:49:37 Drive H:\ (FAT32) does not support single files > 4 GB in size.
    W 18:49:37 Drive I:\ (FAT32) does not support single files > 4 GB in size.
    W 18:49:37 Drive J:\ (FAT32) does not support single files > 4 GB in size.
    W 18:49:37 Drive K:\ (FAT32) does not support single files > 4 GB in size.
    W 18:49:37 AnyDVD can interfere with ImgBurn's ability to verify accurately, please ensure it's disabled!
    I 18:49:37 Initialising SPTI...
    I 18:49:37 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...
    I 18:49:37 Found 1 DVD±RW/RAM!
    I 18:53:35 Operation Started!
    I 18:53:35 Source Device: [1:0:0] PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-112 1.22 (L:) (ATA)
    I 18:53:35 Source Media Type: DVD-ROM
    I 18:53:35 Source Media Sectors: 4,016,252 (Track Path: OTP - L0: 2,025,600 - L1: 1,990,652)
    I 18:53:35 Source Media Volume Identifier: INDOCHINE_555_SCN
    I 18:53:35 Source Media Implementation Identifier: Daikin U.S. Comtec Lab
    I 18:53:35 Source Media File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)
    I 18:53:35 Destination File: E:\INDOCHINE_555_SCN.ISO
    I 18:53:35 Destination Free Space: 9,100,869,632 bytes (8,887,568 KB) (8,679 MB) (8 GB)
    I 18:53:35 Destination File System: FAT32
    I 18:53:35 File Splitting: Auto
    I 18:53:35 Reading Sectors... (LBA: 0 - 4016251)
    I 18:53:35 Reading Layer 0... (LBA: 0 - 2025599)
    I 19:00:21 Reading Layer 1... (LBA: 2025600 - 4016251)
    I 19:11:52 Image MD5: d5cf61e0ce07c3605b9eccb312cb5b01
    I 19:11:52 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:18:14
    I 19:11:52 Average Read Rate: 7,342 KB/s (5.3x) - Maximum Read Rate: 13,565 KB/s (9.8x)
    I 19:13:35 Operation Started!
    I 19:13:35 Source File: E:\INDOCHINE_555_SCN.MDS
    I 19:13:35 Source File Sectors: 4,016,252 (MODE1/2048)
    I 19:13:35 Source File Size: 8,225,284,096 bytes
    I 19:13:35 Source File Volume Identifier: INDOCHINE_555_SCN
    I 19:13:35 Source File Implementation Identifier: Daikin U.S. Comtec Lab
    I 19:13:35 Source File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)
    I 19:13:35 Destination Device: [1:0:0] PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-112 1.22 (L:) (ATA)
    I 19:13:35 Destination Media Type: DVD+R DL (Disc ID: RICOHJPN-D00-01) (Speeds: 2.4x)
    I 19:13:35 Destination Media Sectors: 4,173,824
    I 19:13:35 Write Mode: DVD
    I 19:13:35 Write Type: DAO
    I 19:13:35 Write Speed: 1x
    I 19:13:35 Link Size: Auto
    I 19:13:35 Test Mode: No
    I 19:13:35 BURN-Proof: Enabled
    I 19:13:35 Optimal L0 Data Zone Capacity: 2,025,600
    I 19:13:35 Optimal L0 Data Zone Method: Copied From Original Disc
    I 19:14:00 Filling Buffer... (20 MB)
    I 19:14:01 Writing LeadIn...
    I 19:14:03 Writing Image... (LBA: 0 - 4016251)
    I 19:14:03 Writing Layer 0... (LBA: 0 - 2025599)
    I 19:35:06 Writing Layer 1... (LBA: 2025600 - 4016251)
    I 19:56:28 Synchronising Cache...
    I 19:56:29 Closing Track...
    I 19:56:30 Finalising Disc...
    I 19:57:51 Image MD5: d5cf61e0ce07c3605b9eccb312cb5b01
    I 19:57:51 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:44:16
    I 19:57:51 Average Write Rate: 3,156 KB/s (2.3x) - Maximum Write Rate: 3,375 KB/s (2.4x)
    I 19:57:51 Cycling Tray before Verify...
    I 19:58:19 Device Ready!
    I 19:58:20 Operation Started!
    I 19:58:20 Source Device: [1:0:0] PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-112 1.22 (L:) (ATA)
    I 19:58:20 Source Media Type: DVD+R DL (Book Type: DVD-ROM) (Disc ID: RICOHJPN-D00-01) (Speeds: 2.4x)
    I 19:58:20 Image File: E:\INDOCHINE_555_SCN.MDS
    I 19:58:20 Image File Sectors: 4,016,252 (MODE1/2048)
    I 19:58:20 Image File Size: 8,225,284,096 bytes
    I 19:58:20 Image File Volume Identifier: INDOCHINE_555_SCN
    I 19:58:20 Image File Implementation Identifier: Daikin U.S. Comtec Lab
    I 19:58:20 Image File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)
    I 19:58:20 Verifying Sectors... (LBA: 0 - 4016251)
    I 19:58:20 Verifying Layer 0... (LBA: 0 - 2025599)
    I 20:07:53 Verifying Layer 1... (LBA: 2025600 - 4016251)
    W 20:11:02 Failed to Read Sector 2025600 - L-EC Uncorrectable Error
    W 20:11:02 Sector 2025600 maps to File: VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_4.VOB
    W 20:11:11 Failed to Read Sector 2025601 - L-EC Uncorrectable Error
    W 20:11:11 Sector 2025601 maps to File: VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_4.VOB
    E 20:11:19 Failed to Read Sector 2025602 - L-EC Uncorrectable Error
    E 20:11:19 Sector 2025602 maps to File: VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_4.VOB
    E 20:11:19 Failed to Verify Sectors!
    E 20:11:20 Operation Failed! - Duration: 00:12:59
    I 20:11:20 Average Verify Rate: 5,200 KB/s (3.8x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 10,387 KB/s (7.5x)
    I 20:14:23 Operation Started!
    I 20:14:23 Device: [1:0:0] PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-112 1.22 (L:) (ATA)
    I 20:14:23 Media Type: DVD+RW (Disc ID: RICOHJPN-D00-01) (Speeds: 2.4x)
    I 20:14:23 Quick Erase: Yes
    I 20:14:23 Erasing Disc...
    E 20:14:28 Failed to Erase Sectors 0 - 31 - Invalid Address For Write
    I 20:14:28 Synchronising Cache...
    E 20:14:28 Operation Failed! - Duration: 00:00:04
    I 20:14:39 Close Request Acknowledged
    I 20:14:39 Closing Down...
    I 20:14:39 Shutting down SPTI...
    I 20:14:39 ImgBurn closed!

    Sure, it makes sense to convert to NTFS, and I might try that. But will Windows give me trouble needing to be activated if I do? The problem is, I'm not using an original OS. That wasn't my choice, they just don't sell them here! So I can't even upgrade Windows or install service packs without running into trouble. The last thing I need is being unable to start Windows due to some changes I make. Anyway, I will buy a notebook with an authentic Vista Home Premium soon. If it has a burner it might take care of the problem. I don't know if there even are notebooks with burners in the price range I'm looking for. If not I'll have to manage to get the one I have to work somehow.
    Even though I don't know much about computers, I'm pretty sure the problem is not with the file system. It just doesn't make sense. If FAT32 causes the problem, how come the first 7 DL discs I burned are all OK?
    It was after I installed AnyDVD that I started to have problems, and haven't successfully burned a DL disc since. The log suggests that AnyDVD can interfere with the burning process. Has anybody had this kind of problem? Uninstalling AnyDVD hasn't helped however.
    If it's just bad media, then why did I burn 7 perfectly good ones in a row, and only coasters after??? That's just too much of a coincidence for me, and I'm simply not buying that it's low quality media.
    If burning too far to the outer edge of the disc causes the problem, how do I set that in ImgBurn or Nero? The manuals are no help at all.
     
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    Hello again.

    The log suggests AnyDVD can interfere with the ability to verify, not burn. AnyDVD concerns disk reading, not burning. I've never seen or heard of a situation where AnyDVD interferred with burning. The typical way to backup a DL DVD is to use DVD D in ISO Read mode with AnyDVD running in the background.


    Target size won't affect a DL disk if you're just backing up a duplicate copy of the original. It's primarily a problem with trying to write too much onto a single layered disk. In DVD Shrink:

    Edit -> Preferences -> Preferences tab -> select "custom" in the menu and eneter 4400 in the MB box.

    In Nero Recode the size menu is in the lower right corner.



    From the log provided it looks like the burn was successful but the verification was not. Did you try to play the disk? I don't use verification and check it off since it doesn't mean much. Either the disk plays back or it doesn't is the verification.
     
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    Hey sithlord1 & laddyboy,

    Guess what, I'm experiencing the exact same thing with my Benq DW1655. I think the problem is a combination of the drive and the media.

    I just installed it back into my burning computer and went to see if I could get an improved burn on some DL media. Well, the burn crapped out at the layer break with an error message. I was using ImgBurn alone, no AnyDVD (don't have it). Gues what the MID code is, Ritek S04 (same manufacturer as the Ricoh).

    I was able to successfully burn a Verbatim DL with the same files on my Benq.

    Funny thing is, is that I can get a half-assed burn with the Ritek media with my Lite-Ons, I was trying to see if I could get a better burn with my Benq.

    I'm in contact with Ritek USA right now to see what can be resolved.
     
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    I had a 25 spindle of verbatim once 10 burned ok the other 15 failed went and got some ritek spindle of 25 so far 15 burns no prob so that answers your question of the media that how can you burn 7 good and then only coasters are the coasters from the same pack as the good burns or have you recently had some new disks
     
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    Killalot, the first 7 discs that burned fine were from a spindle of 10 branded as Mitsubishi. That's what it says on the discs anyway. The coasters that followed were from the same pack, after that from a pack of Sony discs. Same problem. The latest log posted above is for a Sony. If the coasters were all the same brand it wouldn't have been that surprising. Your experience is a little odd as well: 10 good ones in a row then only coasters?? So you think it's strictly a media related problem?

    Laddyboy, I tried to play all the discs that didn't verify successfully on either player or Power DVD; all of them would freeze at layer break, some of them wouldn't even play at a point well past the LB, so I get only half the original disc. In some instances I couldn't even exit Power DVD normally after the freeze. It just wouldn't respond at all. Same thing with the standalone player. A cheap one, already over 3 years old, but it plays all other discs just fine.
    I haven't tried playing that last one for which the log is posted, as none of the previous ones worked. I guess I gave up trying. But since you suggest bad verification doesn't necessarily mean the disc won't play I'll give it a try. Anyway, most of my coasters burned "successfully" according to Nero or ImgBurn. Only when I try to play them I find out they didn't.
     
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    Hobbit, how did the burn crap out? Did it start burning layer 1 at all? Without AnyDVD, how do you burn copy-protected discs? I burned discs with and without AnyDVD, no difference.
    Let us know if you get any feedback from Ritek!
     
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    Sithlord, your log said the burn was successful. Did the disk not play back?
     
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    I just tried it, and it won't play, like I expected. The movie would freeze at LB, and later chapters can't be accessed from main menu either. So that tells me that a "successful burn" according to log doesn't mean anything. Some tracks were burned all right, that's it. But it seems some info that tells the player when to go to layer 1 - or even that there is a second layer - is missing. Everything looks fine, right until the LB halfway into the movie....
     
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    Actually, I got a good burn on the 1st layer. My burns weren't burning through the layer break, they were stopping with an error message about not able to burn to xxxxxxxxxx location, just past the layer break(lens not able to refocus?). They're working for the momment, don't know if its because I got to some good discs in the spindle or because I cleaned the crap out of the drive. I'll be posting some scans of these discs in this thread later.

    For ripping, I use RipIt4Me-DVDDecrypter-Shrink except I don't use the Shrink part to burn to DL discs, I cancel and then use ImgBurn to burn. I use to, and still occasionally use, DVDFABDecrypter on discs that are hard to rip, and then use ImgBurn. Though I've been having good luck burning with Nero 7 to DLs lately, you can control the burning speed again.

    I am in contact with Ritek and was in the process of RMAing the media when I got the sucessfull burn. Their procedure is to request a RMA but they want you to supply samples of the burned media, unburned media and the master file or DVD you were trying to burn. They specifically asked if I was trying to burn copyrighted material. I was making "samples" of some non-copyrighted material to send them when I had the sucessful burns. So far I've had 3 sucessful burns ranging from 2.4x burn speed to 6x. I also had 2 discs fail because they were unable to be finalized.

    The 1 thing I did different is that I cleaned the heck out of the burner, used canned air and then ran a dvd cleaning disc in it. I really didn't think it would make any difference because I had been able to burn SL discs no problem and had also burned some Verbatim DLs with sucess.

    Maybe this Ritek media is sensitive to contaminates on the laser, i.e., requiring extreme precision with no leeway for difusion by a dirty lens?
     
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