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Queen A night at the opera

Discussion in 'High resolution audio' started by neilwolf, Jan 23, 2007.

  1. neilwolf

    neilwolf Member

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    Hi all,
    I've just listened to 'A night at the opera' by Queen on dts. Its one of my all time favorites but its been ruined in my opinion.I kept thinking one of my speakers was turned off but realized it was just a poor attempt at a remix. Am i alone in this review or do i have agreement?

    Thanks

    neil
     
  2. wilkes

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    Where did you get this, and what format is it in?
    I have the DVD-A version, which contains the high resolution MLP 5.1 & 2.0 as well as the lower resolution DTS (DTS is NOT, repeat NOT high resolution audio, it is a lossy format)

    All 5 channels work just fine.
    Sounds to me like you have a bootleg version possibly?
     
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    whats a 'lossy' format?
     
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    MP3, Dolby Digital, DTS.
    It's where the compaction (I don;t like to call it compression) is achieved by the codec actually throwing away data it considers to be surplus to needs.
    With basic DTS, this is around 3/4 of the original data.
    DTS-HD and DTS-HD MAS are different.
    DTS-HD will allow a higher resolution, at up to double the data rate, allowing for a peak of 3Mb/sec.
    DTS-HD MAS will allow true lossless.

    Look at it this way:
    5.1 PCM at 24/96 resolution = 13.86Mb/sec.
    5.1 MLP Lossless, or Advanced Resolution, will limit the rate to 9.6Mb/sec but still give a bit for bit identical output to the original.
    DTS 5.1 - 1.509Mb/sec.
    Dolby Digital 5.1 = 0.448Mb/sec
     
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    Thank you. I'm learning so much off this site.
    Do you think DTS-HD titles will become readily available in the near future?
     
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    That's hard to say.
    As of this point in time, none of the existing set top BD or HD DVD players support it at all.
    It's optional only in both camps as well.
    DTS are about to release the rights to making the decoder chips to 3rd party manufacturers, so we can only hope.
    Don't hold your breath though.
    Remember the *only* mandated codecs for Blu Ray are Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital +.....and the old DTS "legacy" codec. NONE of the High Res codecs are mandated.
    HD DVD is better in this respect, with DD, DD+, DTS, MLP & Dolby True HD mandated (although the latter is mandated for stereo only)

    The price is also an important factor.
    BD and HD DVD will, IMHO, not succeed at all until both the actual discs are the same cost as existing SD DVD, along with the players. This means that both Sony & Toshiba will have to license the technologies to No-Name manufacturers though, and I don;t see that happening any time soon.
    Additionally, some of the studios will have to take a hard decision & make desirable content available only in the HD formats. And I don't see that happening any time soon either.

     
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    "Cheap" Chinese HD-DVD players are coming in a not too distant future...
     
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    Not if Toshiba do not license the technology they won't!
    Toshiba and the DVD Forum developed HD DVD, and the IP is heavily protected. The only way there will be cheap chinese players is if the technology gets licensed out, and the Chinese have already categorically stated they will not be paying the royalties to Toshiba either, which is precisely why they have developed EVD.
    This, in conjunction with a UK company, is about to be rolled out as VMD which will give up to 40Gb on a DL red laser disc.
    The software players will be given away for free, top-end set top players will be no more than US$200, and authoring packages are also on the way in 2 levels - consumer & professional.
    DTS-HD MAS will be fully supported.

    See http://www.nmeinc.com/

    Expect to hear howls of rage from Sony.
     
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    Chinese Alco Electronics (http://www.alco.com.hk/main/) already has a license for OEM manufacturing of HD-DVD players...
     
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    Cannot see it on their website.
    Any URL?
     
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    No, but it was presented at CES. Will surely be much more public very soon.
     
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    I haven't seen MLP support in any player or receiver.. Am I to suppose that it's supported if a player supports DVD Audio and a receiver supports 24/96?
     
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    All DVD-Audio capable players can play back & decode MLP Lossless.
    It's mandatory in DVD-A.
     
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