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THE NEW GUY with a few questions

Discussion in 'DVDR' started by olamite, Feb 5, 2005.

  1. olamite

    olamite Regular member

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    i cant get more than 2 hours on a dvd ,how do extend space on blanks before writing onto them
     
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    flip218 Moderator Staff Member

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    what exactly are you trying to do?

    I just put Ray on a dvd +R and that movie is 2 1/2 hours long.
     
  3. hursty

    hursty Active member

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    what?without shrinking it?
    what is the approx time in minutes that can fit on a dvd without compressing it? i thought it was 120 mins
    strangely enough i have never burnt a dvd that has not had to be shrank.
     
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    flip218 Moderator Staff Member

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    I would say never go by how may minutes. You have to go by how big the file is.

    Example: Mulan 2 is only 79 minutes long ... but it's 5.89 GBs. It will not fit on a single layer dvd.
     
  5. hursty

    hursty Active member

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    so what makes the file so big on such a short movie?
     
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    flip218 Moderator Staff Member

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    Usually the extras.

    Mulan 2:

    menu: 58 MB
    main movie: 3,667 MB
    extras: 1,053 MB
    unreferenced material: 1 MB
     
  7. hursty

    hursty Active member

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    yes but,if a movie clip is say "4gb" in size which equates to say "100mins"
    then another movie clip of also of "4gb",are you saying there is a possibilty that the running time may be different.say for example "120 mins"
    i know extras etc make the size bigger,but a "byte" must equal something in terms of milisecs?
    1 gb must equate to specific amount of minutes?

    i mean when refering to cd-r,700mb is 80 mins approx.

    with kind regards hursty
     
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  8. olamite

    olamite Regular member

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    how funny is that,ray was the movie that i way talking about
     
  9. saugmon

    saugmon Senior member

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    Lord of the Rings,return of the king,over 3hours and 10 mins on Main Movie only, single dvd-5,dvd shrink,with enhancements,and nero to burn.My backup target was set to 4300 Mbs.That was some major shrinkage,1 pass only. No re-running through dvd shrink a second time.

    I have gotten quite a few "b" movie dvd's,entire dvd well under 4.3 gigs without sacraficing any extra crap and no compression at all.
     
  10. olamite

    olamite Regular member

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    ok im home,here's what i wanna do.make a backup copy of one of my dvds,i want it to act like the original dvd,i have a little exp with decrypter,can i get menus to work,can someone walk a newbie through this one?its only 3.87gb so can i get an identical copy by using decrypter only?
     
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  11. olamite

    olamite Regular member

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    ok lady's and gents ,im on a role,i just make my 1st (true)back up dvd movie,active menus and all,thing still wont play in xbox,im workin on it though,thanks for all the help thus far!
     
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    Actually you're just,lucky on this one. To answer your other questions -

    No a byte doesn't euqal a milisec or a microsec kind of like saying why doesn't a volume equal a weight it just doesn't. A bit more time in school will explain why.

    As long as the file you wish to burn doesn't exceed (go over) 4.36GB (the true size of a DVD NOT 4.7GB) you can use DVDD to rip and to burn and all will be the same as the original, a 1:1 copy.

    When your file exceeds 4.36GB then DVDD won't work. Refer to the guides in my sig.

    Cheers,
     
  13. olamite

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    ok,hope you guys aint becoming impatient with me.lol.i just burned ray dvd,movie only, but it burned with caption,where did i go wrong?
     
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    then why when you purchase dvd blanks they state they are 4.7 gb/120 mins?
     
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    Even a humble grasshopper like me can answer that one.

    It all depends on the quality setting or compression of the rercorded material (ie how much information it contains).

    Put another way:

    According to the back of my DVD +RW packaging 4.7 gigibytes (actually 4.36 but who's quibbling)is the equivalent of ALL of the following:

    4.7 gigs= 60 min XP (excellent play)
    4.7 gigs= 120 mins SP (standard play)
    4.7 gigs= 180 mins LP (long play)
    4.7 gigs= 240 mins EP (extended play)
    4.7 gigs= 360 mins SLp (super long play)

    So evrything depends on the quality of the recorded source and how much you compress it (dvd shrink etc) before burning.
     
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    Or a more technical way to explain it is:

    In marketing terms, the DVD capacity is 4.7 GB. But, the actual available size is 4.37 GB. This is because "giga" in the real world has two calculation methods. One is 10 to the 9th power, which is 1,000,000,000. And the other is 2 to the 30th power, which is 1,073,741,824. Thus, 4.37 * 1,073,741,824 is nearly equal to 4.7 * 1,000,000,000.
     
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    i think you have mis-understood what i was asking.
    what i was refering to was that if you had 2 different dvd movies,each with equal playback time,for example 90 mins...on standard play...will the data size be the same?

    so in plain english
    #1 movie=90 mins

    #2 movie=90 mins

    will they be the same file size?

    with kind regards hursty

     
  18. flip218

    flip218 Moderator Staff Member

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    If your doing the full dvd ... I would say no. If your doing just the main movie, dunno .. never do just the main movie :)
     
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    finally got the hang of shrink and stuff,well sort of.thanks again to all.
     
  20. hursty

    hursty Active member

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    has anybody got to grasp the qustion that i asked!!!


    will 2 different movies of equal file size play back in the equal amount of time?

    or does the content of the movie affect the file size?
    in otherwords will a 5 min clip with lots of detail, ,contain more bytes than a 5 min clip of simple detail,? with both clips having no compression etc.
    i am guessing that the more detailed clip contains more bytes....even though they both have the same play back time.

     

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