Hello all @Shoey ! RAVENSHIELD safedisc v2.8 backup… Shoey I tried my best to get this ravenshield game to backup using the plextor 12/1032A, disc 1 backs up fine! Disc 2 wont as I cant get the plextor to even see it? It just keeps saying empty? Now I installed the game and tried it! And also tried it before I installed the game (original discs!) still the same! Ok then I tried moving the eide cables to all slots but still the same! I even jumpered the not known about RMA jumper at the back of the plextor! Still wont see it! I tried master setting and slave and no jumper at all! (all other discs are seen in all these modes!) now so I moved on to the litty drive 52/24/52 this drive saw it fine! So I backed up both discs with the settings in blindwrite you gave me for the plexy (hope those were ok for the litty on safedisc v2.8?) so now I have working backups of ravenshield and morrowind safedisc v2 and hitman 2 securom v4.84.00.0104 and age of mythology safedisc v2.7 Now going back to the plextor! I used the play disc (copy) of ravenshield in the plextor to play the game IT WORKED! And saw it! 3 times out of 15 !!! very intermittent… Now doing all this backing up playing games on test! I came up with some odd things? When the game ravenshield was installed original! I used backup play disc to play and go on multiplayer v1.0 I type in random keycode and got in to play! It by-passed the cdkey checking? Now I uninstalled the game and loaded with backups all loaded fine! Then I tried the multiplayer again and every time it says INVALID CD KEY clear off dude – well not the dude bit! But you get me drift on this? Put the originals back in and wammy back on multiplayer again but han to click a couple of times! To get it in I just fiddled about and you get in… Now another point is all these games I backed up play on my machine ok! Now the guy who lent me the discs to backup for him, I loaded all on his and they ALL will not play? You know the score insert the real disc punk comes up! We’ve all been there ah! I tried them in different drives too? Also I loaded them all on my second machine in house and they don’t work on that either? Why are they working on mine? I have uninstalled DISJUGGLER – CLONECD – ALCOHOL120% is there any other programs that EMULATE software to play you know of? As I can see what is making them work on mine and not the other 2 computers? Also on my second computer I loaded CloneCD to see if the games would play well age of mythology play safedisc! Ravenshield played safedisc but hitman 2 securom WONT play? Even with hide CDR media clicked to get the safedics ones playing? So from this all the discs I made basically SUCK ASS BIG TIME and I don’t have PERFECT 1:1 copies, so what gives with all this any input would be great as I just don’t have a clue now? Is blindwrite suppossed to make perfect copies of these games or not that is the question? To be or not to be – I’d ask romeo but he’s dead LOL….. Well that’s all for now! PLEASE GUYS WHO EVER READs THIS SEND HELP !!! As its gaskit blowing time Thx all…….write back soon as blind write doesn’t !!! Rotary-Motion .