BD RB Beta released! - now at version 0.37.08 (April 23rd, 2011)

Agree completely Sophocles. Everyone that is using standard SATA1 drives need to upgrade. You can buy Velociraptors for $150 now, and it makes a huge difference. The 10,000 RPMs will boost your encode times greatly. $150 to save 1-2 hours per movie is worth it to me. But you also have to have a quad core as well. I am curious to see if the new 6 core CPUs will make a difference.

 

The new 6 core processors will make a difference since X.264 can run more than 6 processes at once. I think X.264 is even working with CUDA but I doubt that it's do it with BD RB.

 

i am getting a error! it just freezes! I'm re-encoding Forgetting Sarah Marshal!

 

Go into the Sarah Marshal destination folder, copy the log, and post it here.

Also go into your BD RB folder and look for Inspect, click on it and choose Inspect. Post the results here.

I'm just going to go out on a limb here and guess that there are no giant lizards, aliens, zombies, vampires, or other risen dead in this movie.

 

the destination folder? you mean the working folder? and by log file you mean what?

 

Yes! The one where your result was targeting. There should still be files in it if you have deleted it yet. I'm trying to discover why it's freezing so that I can narrow it down to either software or hardware.


Freezing is often caused by an over heated processor which in turn is sometimes cause by overclocking but not always.

 

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[09:15:21] BD Rebuilder v0.33.06 (beta)
- Source: FORGETSARAHMARSH
- Input BD size: 45.30 GB
- Approximate total content: [04:37:29.707]
- Target BD size: 22.90 GB
- Windows Version: 6.0 [6002]
- Audio Settings: AC3=1 DTS=1 HD=0 Kbs=640
[09:15:25] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [09:15:25] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00025]
- [09:15:27] Reencoding: VID_00025 (1 of 98)
- [09:15:27] Reencoding secondary video [TRK_02]
- [09:15:28] Reencoding secondary video [TRK_03]
- [09:15:29] Collecting video information
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 152 frames
- Bitrate: 10,147 Kbs
- [09:15:29] Reencoding: VID_00025, Pass 1 of 2
inspect results
- Windows Version: 6.0 [6002]
- AVISYNTH Version: 2.5.7.0, Ok
- HAALI Splitter: Ok
- FFDSHOW: 2661, not recommended version
- FFDSHOW VC-1 set incorrectly: [0]
- FFDSHOW MPEG2 set incorrectly: [0]
- FFDSHOW AVC set to "libavcodec": Ok
- BD Rebuilder v0.33.0.6, Ok
- X264: Ok
- AFTEN: Ok
- FAAC: Ok
- MP4BOX: Ok
- WAVI: Ok
- TSMUXER: Ok

 

Wakko

I see some software issues that need to be taken care of. You've installed the wrong version of FFDSHOW. You have version 2261 but you should have version 3326. Uninstall it and then click this link to get the correct version.

http://www.jdobbs.net/freeware/ffdshow_rev3326_20100319_clsid.exe

Once you've done that note that your FFDSHOW was set incorrectly. Open FFDSHOW video decoder and set VC-1 to WMV9.

Your FFDSHOW MPEG2 was also set incorrectly. Also in FFDSHOW video decoder set MPEG2 to libavcodec. Save and quit and then try again.

 

- Windows Version: 6.0 [6002]
- AVISYNTH Version: 2.5.7.0, Ok
- HAALI Splitter: Ok
- FFDSHOW: 3326, Ok
- FFDSHOW VC-1 set incorrectly: [0]
- FFDSHOW MPEG2 set to "libavcodec": Ok
- FFDSHOW AVC set to "libavcodec": Ok
- BD Rebuilder v0.33.0.6, Ok
- X264: Ok
- AFTEN: Ok
- FAAC: Ok
- MP4BOX: Ok
- WAVI: Ok
- TSMUXER: Ok
it still freezes

 

OK, you have the right version of FFDSHOW but you still need to make at least one correction which I will bold in the quote below. Open FFDSHOW video decoder and set VC-1 to WMV9.

This doesn't mean that your hardware isn't overheating but it will eliminate possible variables.

Go to this site and download a copy of Real Temp and use it to monitor your processor while encoding.

http://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/

 

I'm looking for a little simple help - I read awhile back where J.Dobbs mentioned that using Good quality w/ one pass ABR would be a better choice than High Speed option for BD25 encoding.

Now that the x264 profiles have been changed - is Good quality comparible to what it use to be? Or should one now use Better setting? I see that the High speed option is still included...

And I have one more (maybe stupid) question -
What is the difference between CRF and ABR encoding?
What are the benifits of each?
I apparently have not caught on to what these encoding methods do...
Someones help would really be appreciated!!

P.S.
I just read a post by Dark Sharki on Doom9's forum HERE
where it talks about using CRF with v.b.v (?) - and how this would be a bad combination - this is all greek to me...

Quote:
If you want to make it faster, you should really use faster encoding settings, not CRF (since CRF + VBV is... not a good combination). Specifically, the issue with CRF+VBV is that if --crf without VBV would give a overall bitrate of X, and X is higher than --vbv-maxrate, this can bork ratecontrol in the case that CRF is used with VBV. One way to avoid this is using a very high CRF, of course, since a high CRF ensures you'll never get such a bitrate. But of course a high CRF looks terrible and if you're going to kill quality that much, you might as well just downscale to DVD resolution.

 

To quote jdobbs who explains it better than I could

 

Every once in awhile i get this:

[18:20:11] BD Rebuilder v0.33.06 (beta)
- Source: 2012
- Input BD size: 38.79 GB
- Approximate total content: [02:53:02.914]
- Target BD size: 22.66 GB
- Windows Version: 6.0 [6002]
- One Pass ABR Mode enabled
- Audio Settings: AC3=1 DTS=1 HD=0 Kbs=640
- Resuming from previously started job.
[18:20:14] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [18:20:14] Reencoding: VID_00423 (1 of 9)
- [18:20:14] Collecting video information
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 173 frames
- [18:20:14] Reencoding: VID_00423, Pass 1 of 1
- Encode failed. Retrying.
- Encode failed. Retrying.
- Reached retry limit. Aborting.
- BD-Rebuilder v0.33.06 (beta)
- Windows Version: 6.0 [6002]
- AVISYNTH Version: 2.5.7.0, Ok
[18:20:25] - Failed video encode, aborted

Don't know if it's the rip. (Using AnyDVD.) Or what? Just got this from 2012.
Thakns for any help,
browningt

 

browningt


I did 2012 without a hitch about a month ago so it shouldn't be the cause, but a setting could be. Although you have had some successes they might not reflect on your current difficulties since Blu-Ray movies vary in how they are encoded and menus.

 

thank you Sophocles

 

You're welcome!

A small note: H/X.264 encoder is a good 3 to 4 times as efficient as standard Mpeg 2, but if you've been checking how your BD movies are encoded you will note that many BD movies are actually encoded in MPEG 2. So if a 2 hour 1080P MPEG2 encoded BD movie only takes up about 30-25Gb of space once we've eliminated unwanted sound tracks the H.264 standard can easily fit that same movie to dual layer disc with no discernible loss of quality. If one is prepared to re-encode the audio as well to say 448kbs then even a single layer disc is a consideration.

I did Spiderman 3 to BD-5,BD-9, and BD-25 and no one could tell which was which. I've encountered sub 100 minute movies with 640kbs audio and when I checked their size they came in at about 18 GB, and once things were trimmed they've easily fit onto a single layer disc. Other movies such as Avatar which is over 2 hours and 30 minutes in length I went straight to a BD-25. You really have to experiment with quality to find out what is good to your eyes.

I believe as do many others that much of the bitrate assigned to many BD movies is far more than is needed, and a BD movies physical size directly correlates to bitrate. In fact most BD movie bitrate ends up being more a type of physical copy protection than an enhancement to quality. Of course there are some that just has to have it as closely as possible to the original whether their senses can appreciate that difference or not. Take sound for instance. Anything higher than 384kbs makes it increasing hard to hear the difference it and higher bitrate audio. Play with sizing and audio and see what you discover.

 

This is interesting to know! I have noticed that BD's are sometimes MPEG2 instead of AVC or VC-1, but I had no idea about the efficiency of the encoder(H/x264) - so your saying that if one loads the 30 GB BD video into BD-RB or MediaInfo (et al) and one sees the main movie encoded as Mpeg2 - one can shrink it by a factor of 3 or so (using x264 in BD-RB) and encode to a DVD9...Nice - I do not quite understand how the effeciency of the x264 encoder works to keep the same level of picture quality - but I'll take your word for it - (maybe your saying the encoded video would end up AVC instead of MPEG2?? And that is a more efficent format...)

If I remember correctly (too lazy to get the discs) - Spiderman 1;2; and 3(BD's) were about 21-23 GB Total for full disc(s) - I rencoded 2 and 3 (can't remember what BD-RB version) and sent the DVD9's to a friend, who has an OPPO 83 - he said 2 was higher in contrast (too much) and something else - spider 3 was perfect (DVD9) - I was using High quality (two pass); I didn't rencode the audio - except the AC3 to 448 Kbps. I think there wasn't any HD audio?

Bitrate being a copy protection - absolutely! Sherlock Holmes (BD-just released) is 102% of a BD-SL disc (how sweet!)

Question:

You mention trimming - besides using movie-only in BD-RB, what else can be used for trimming the streams? - I saw a post (J.Dobbs) where he mentioned right clicking the stream in the window and one could 'blank' the stream - when I try that - all that seems available is preview of said stream - 'blanking' is greyed out.
Then there is BDedit - I can't figure out how to use that yet - I will have to go over the write - up more to understand all the necessary operations - menu editing and movie object edit as well as (I believe) other necessary steps to edit tracks (streams) out of compelation(s). Is there an easier way to preform stream editing - maybe TsMuxeR?

Cheers...

 

When I say 3 to 4 times more efficient I'm probably exaggerating a bit based on experience, because there are other factors that come into play. Most BD movies encoded even in MPEG 2 use a higher bitrate than is needed to achieve a High Definition picture. Before moving strictly to BD I was into buying and converting HD DVD Movies to BD. Amazon had them on for about $1.99 so I grabbed about 45 or so. One thing that amazed me was that some of the HD DVD's looked visually superior to comparable blu-ray copies. I picked up the first season of Battlestar Galactica in HD DVD for $7.99 and then later collected the rest in blu-ray and yet the HD DVD is still the sharpest copy.

For re-encoding the number of frames or the length of the movie is more important than the size of the original. When you target a specific media size then bitrate is calculated to the available space frame by frame.

Other than removing extras, unneeded audio tracks, and lowering the audio quality all that's really left is resolution. On visually important high action movies I generally go for a BD-9 or BD-25 but on less visually interesting movies that are usually under 2 hours I will often re-encode to 720P instead of 1080P to fit it onto a BD-5. That lowers the bitrate requirements which in turn saves space.

 

I'm still experience problems with re-encoding Forgetting Sarah Marshall
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[16:57:39] BD Rebuilder v0.33.06 (beta)
- Source: FORGETSARAHMARSH
- Input BD size: 45.30 GB
- Approximate total content: [04:37:29.707]
- Target BD size: 22.90 GB
- Windows Version: 6.0 [6002]
- Audio Settings: AC3=1 DTS=1 HD=0 Kbs=640
- Resuming from previously started job.
[16:57:44] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [16:57:44] Reencoding: VID_00025 (1 of 98)
- [16:57:44] Reencoding secondary video [TRK_02]
- [16:57:46] Reencoding secondary video [TRK_03]
- [16:57:47] Collecting video information
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 152 frames
- Bitrate: 10,147 Kbs
- [16:57:47] Reencoding: VID_00025, Pass 1 of 2
it just sits there at 73.70%
- Windows Version: 6.0 [6002]
- AVISYNTH Version: 2.5.7.0, Ok
- HAALI Splitter: Ok
- FFDSHOW: 3326, Ok
- FFDSHOW VC-1 set incorrectly: [0]
- FFDSHOW MPEG2 set to "libavcodec": Ok
- FFDSHOW AVC set to "libavcodec": Ok
- BD Rebuilder v0.33.0.6, Ok
- X264: Ok
- AFTEN: Ok
- FAAC: Ok
- MP4BOX: Ok
- WAVI: Ok
- TSMUXER: Ok

 

You still have one setting to take care of this is from your log.

Select the version of Windows are you using below and set accordingly.

Recommended for Windows XP only: Download and install WMV11 from Microsoft, and set VC-1 decoding to "disabled" in FFDSHOW (allowing the WMV11 codec to be used) (it seems to work best for WinXP), and on on VC-1 for Vista or Windows 7 -- select "wmv9"