BD RB Beta released! - now at version 0.37.08 (April 23rd, 2011)

I use to use speedfan until I started to wonder about the reading's it gave - Coretemp x86 or x64 or Realtemp give better values - a friend who builds and tourture tests rigs also feels this way...

 

turns out I didn't have the right avisynth installed

 

wakko

According to one of your previous posts you have this version "AVISYNTH Version: 2.5.7.0" which is the recommended version? Which version do you have? I sometimes play with other applications and they often have their own version of avisynth which overwrites the recommended version and I have to backtrack but your post #1082 shows a correct version.

Good suggestion!

 

Well I am going to just give up on Gran Torino I guess. It's not the first movie that failed for me. I usually just wont copy those ones, I don't spend a bunch of time trying to get it to work. I would like to know if anyone has copied that movie successfully before though. I hope slysoft/Elaborate hurry's up with getting clonebd out. I'm sure it will work more better and not have video encoding fails.

 

Well BD-RB works fine for most. I have done over 200 discs and Gran Torino worked for me. I used an older version though and don't remember which one. I have found in the past, when a movie didn't work, it was because one of my settings were wrong.

 

Funny - I was able to do that video with the BD-RB version that was current at that time(Gran Torino release period) - back then I was using a Vista x86 rig and I always have used (almost always) the wrong version of AviSynth (2.58) and the wrong version (always the most current) version of FFDSHOW. I have had about 2-3 encode failures in about 100 attempts - unfourtunately my memory isn't good enough to remember which movies failed - I don't usually write in about them.

Now I use a win7 x64 rig (also using AviSynth 2.58 and always wrong version of FFDSHOW) - I think I'm going to hit the wall someday by using the wrong versions - as I understand J.Dobbs writes BD-RB to use specific command line instructions dependent on the versions of the additional apps needed that he recommends - so I am not saying to try the wrong versions of additional software - but it would seem that there is some other issue with folks' rigs that might be causing failed encodes - my last comment is that all my failures were under the Vista Operating System - it is a crappy bunch of code from Microsoft - IMO - even though some say that win7 is a 'lite' version of Vista - it works far better - so I feel that these failed encodes could be due to the numerious errors present in Vista code - I have had other issues using that screwed up offering from MS.

Slysoft puts out excellent software - and the best thing is that they constantly update their products to remedy bugs that do exist - and there are bugs (just check the changelogs for awhile) - so when CloneBD comes out - I'm sure there will be problems - but to say that BD-RB is a flawed product by comparision is not true (IMO) - J.Dobbs also updates this app frequently - and I believe he has greatly improved it since it's enception - I don't know if he has a team - as Slysoft does - so his deligence is tremendous - and also bear in mind BD-RB is a BETA app still - just because it isn't 'perfect' - he could well release it in it's condition now and make a small fourtune off of it - I am just sooo Thankful it suceeds so many times compared to a very few failures - and many failed encodes are not due to BD-RB directly - end of rant - excuse me everyone...
Cheers...to all!

 

This is true. BD RB is as much a set of instructions as it is a software. Blu-Ray poses some interesting obstacles in that it is a heterogeneous format that finds us facing movies encoded in MPEG 2 VC-1 (which is a Microsoft standard), and any number of audio formats although lately HD formats either Dolby or DTS seems to be strong. Then there are menus written in Java and so on. My favorite encoder is H264 which includes X264 because of its efficiency and ability to produce high definition backups with relatively low bitrates.

If any of you have tried to re-encode a 2 hour BD to BD-5 at 1080P then you were probably stunned at the quality, but to do that you also had to down-convert the audio to 448KBS or it won't work. If the movie runs longer than 2 hours then you might also down convert the video to 720P. In time BD Rb will be standard because of the degree of support it gets from some of the developers of the other software that's used to achieve a backup such as X264 with Dark Shakiri providing suggestions. If you go to his website he actually gives a rather fond mention of BD RB.

http://x264dev.multimedia.cx/

By using BD RB you come into its use by realizing that it's still a work in progress which is also stated very clearly in the first post. Remember we're all early adopters of what is still a relatively new technology. If you feel that you can't deal with that then perhaps you should consider a canned solution and move on, but if you're enjoying being a part of building something that will in time become a standard then you'll have to learn how to use it. It's been a while in fact almost a year since I've encountered a BD movie that I couldn't backup with BD RB.

When I encounter a movie that doesn't work I just ask myself a simple question, why isn't working, can I do something different, and usually the answer is yes. Sometimes that's changing some of the decoder selection in FFDSHOW, changing my target size and audio choices just to name a couple. In short be a geek, and be happy that you're learning, and that in time you'll be more than just a student, you'll also be a teacher.

 

Thanks for the responses. I may give other versions a try. I wasn't meaning to say anything bad about bd rebuilder i know its still beta and I am glad to have it as I dont know of any other software to do what it does right now. It's just unfortunate that blurays are not as easy or trouble free to copy as dvds are and i dont want to spend a ton of time trying to get one movie that fails every now and then to work. The other movies that failed for me were the newest fast and furious and the blind side. Otherwise all other movies i have done worked.

 

I think your even-kieled reply after several people jumped on you is great! When one goes to a thread where there are affectionados (sp?) and says something 'negative' - your bound to get a couple of knocks - I'm sorry if it seemed harsh - but Sophocles is a gentle Giant - he always has something interesting to say - I have come to look forward to his 'teachings' - I don't want to sound too mushy - but you wouldn't get this mellow a response at Slysoft's forum on AnydvdHD - they're downright nasty about almost every coment you make period!! As for the 'negative' comments - I was one to question DvdFab and it's troubled BD offering as well as other troubles at CDFreaks - I became an outcast very quickly - no response after a few 'defended' the really flawed and slow;untimely(selling licenses when it didn't work at all) beginning of Fengtao's attempts at BD support. BTW - DvdFab is another 'close' option to BD-RB - you would be giving up allot using it! Other alternatives are very complex (mostly) and usually don't allow for easy Full Backups. TsMuxeR, eac3to and it's GUI app, AVCHDcoder(fairly easy) (no real menu for Full Backup is supported) - and it takes forever - has very good bitrate calcs. however. BD-RB is really the best for what it does - I haven't figured out how to use the other complex alternatives - takes allot of learning - and is very painful...

 

New Release 3307 and AviSynth 2.5.8:

No sooner than I mentioned that I used AviSynth 2.5.8 and now it seems as though the latest release of BD-RB supports it! It wasn't mentioned in the changelog - so I am posting the Inspect.exe app's readout from my rig:

- Windows Version: 6.1 [7600]
- AVISYNTH Version: 2.5.8.0, Ok
- HAALI Splitter: Ok
- FFDSHOW: 3439, not recommended version
- WIN7 preferred AVC CODEC: Ok
- WIN7 preferred VC-1 CODEC: Ok
- WIN7 preferred MPEG2 CODEC: Ok
- FFDSHOW VC-1 set to "wmv9", Ok
- FFDSHOW MPEG2 set to "libavcodec": Ok
- FFDSHOW AVC set to "ffmpeg-mt": Ok
- BD Rebuilder v0.33.0.7, Ok
- X264: Ok
- AFTEN: Ok
- FAAC: Ok
- MP4BOX: Ok
- WAVI: Ok
- TSMUXER: Ok

I know my FFDShow is off

I have an intersting experience with installing CoreAVC's codec on my rig - ended up causing trouble with Haali Splitter - that wasn't corrected by uninstalling the CoreAVC codec and reinstalling the correct Matroska splitter - had to delete the Haali folder in Program Files and then reinstall Matroska again.

When I tried to Preview stream in BD-RB window by right clicking on a stream - media player states that CoreAVC couldn't be found - this led me to try installing the codec. Is there a way to correct this? The stream will play after closing the info window...

Also, when right clivking a stream - there is a greyed out 'Blank this stream' option - is this for the future?

Another question: under encoder options - encoder - greyed out is FFmpeg encoder - I tried installing this encoder - but BD-RB doesn't recognize it - is this also something for the future?

Cheers...

Thank you J. Dobbs for your work, and to all those who help - thank you too and for everyone who drinks BD-RB - to your health and burning!! I just donated a token to Mr. Dobbs - everyone should give up a small contribution - J.Dobbs really could be charging for this app by now - let's help him with his efforts...

 

Usually when jdobbs updates the use of a particular software such as Avisynth he also updates the link in his first post, and at this time it still links to 2.5.7 although I am curious as to why it inspect states it's OK. For FFDSHOW this is the recommended link. Sometimes non recommended versions will work on some movies but not on others.

http://www.jdobbs.net/freeware/Avisynth_257.exe

albionfog

I hope you didn't get the feeling that I was being harsh with you, because I had no intentions of doing that. I do understand your frustration because I remember a time when DVD's were first released and everything was just as buggy and difficult to work with back then as BD is today. I could link you to posts that go back to the summer of 2004 here at AD where we were all beta testing DVDRebuilder. It was unable to handle interleaves/multi-angles which resulted in failed re-encodes. To overcome the issue we all began using another software called DVD Remake to strip the offending content out of the ripped file before doing a backup.

 

Sophocles:

Link for FFDSHOW?? Your post gives link to AviSynth 2.5.7?? I have a copy of all the previous cslid FFDSHOW versions for quite awhile - yes, I'll revert to it...grumble...

Do you think the AviSynth 2.5.8 working in Inspect is wrong?? Should I revert on that too? Or maybe the verdict isn't in - this is the first time Inspect has said 2.5.8 is ok...

ALSO:

When I tried to Preview stream in BD-RB window by right clicking on a stream - media player states that CoreAVC couldn't be found - this led me to try installing the codec. Is there a way to correct this? The stream will play after closing the info window...

Also, when right clicking a stream - there is a greyed out 'Blank this stream' option - is this for the future?

Another question: under encoder options - encoder - greyed out is FFmpeg encoder - I tried installing this encoder - but BD-RB doesn't recognize it - is this also something for the future?

 

Sorry, forgot that one. Below is the link.

http://www.jdobbs.net/freeware/ffdshow_rev3326_20100319_clsid.exe

I found it interesting but I can't say if it's wrong or not since I haven't asked jdobbs. Since he writes the scripts only he would know.

 

BD RB Update: There was also a 33.08 update but it was short lived.

http://www.jdobbs.net/freeware/BD-RBV03309.zip

Changes are:

 

Ah, where's the link?


Vulcan94

 

very first post of this thread...

 

I found it interesting but I can't say if it's wrong or not since I have asked jdobbs. Since he writes the scripts only he would know.[/quote]

In Doom9 forum J.Dobbs says that he still recommends 2.5.7 for AviSynth - but since he has had no reports of 2.5.8 causing trouble - he included it - he also stated that issues thought to be related to wrong Haali splitter may be AviSynth wrong version cause in disguise. **FYI**

 

In Doom9 forum J.Dobbs says that he still recommends 2.5.7 for AviSynth - but since he has had no reports of 2.5.8 causing trouble - he included it - he also stated that issues thought to be related to wrong Haali splitter may be AviSynth wrong version cause in disguise. **FYI** [/quote]

If you've decided to continue using 2.5.8 then perhaps we'll get an opportunity to make a comparison.

 

CURRENT VERSION 0.34.01 (May 29th, 2010)


http://www.jdobbs.net/freeware/BD-RBV03401.zip

 

OK that was short lived.

CURRENT VERSION 0.34.02 (May 30th, 2010)



http://www.jdobbs.net/freeware/BD-RBV03402.zip