Beginning of the END - We are all DOOMED - we might have to start paying for channels!!!

Once the firmware is out rolling the keys several times a day does not matter, as the boxes will autoroll.

The reason they do not upgrade the firmware more regularly is that it is very expensive to do so.

 

Unfortunately bahco, you do not seem to know what you are talking about, and while you are free to post requests for help or assistance with problems, you are not really helping anyone with your comments.

We get these types of stories 'reliable source stories' is how I refer to them as they always emanate from a reliable source such as 'my brothers mate who works in the same building that the cable companies have their offices in'. They usually turn out to be rubbish and the posters dissappear from the forum.

You are entitled to your own opinion but you are not entitled to your own facts. These problems have arisen before and they have been sorted, and they will arise again.

Unfortunately I don't have much time these days to post much, or try and help out on the forum, but just from looking through a few of the posts from the past few days, the amount of people asking the same questions over and over again would be enough to have me tearing my hair out!

Just also want to say well done to Scouser, HiTeck, Malci and all the other people who are doing their best to sort people out, and would appeal to people to search through the forum before starting new posts.

Am dissappearing again now, as I don't want to add to the clutter of the forum, as there is enough going on without me adding to the problems!

 

reading this thread is better than watching any box lmao!

 

I am aware of that, BUT, if they manage to disable the Auto update feature of the updated firmware ( which they did last week)on a regular basis you will be forever flashing your boxes.

I ask again, what is stopping the CCs doing this?

 

as a added note, the only problem with the Euro, Starview, Replay are these box's were engineered for Nagra 1 only - where as the Dbox2 and Dreambox are open source linux box's - in another words if VM decide to move over to Nagra 2 then Eurovox, Starview, Replay will most likely become absolute as they will not be able to decrypt Nagra 2 encryption - where as for Dreambox (and even DBox2 but not sure if the processing power on this box can handle Nagra 2) will have new EMU's written (which probably out their) to overcome Nagra 2

so my advise is if anyone wants to buy a new box go for a Dreambox - bit expensive but worth it in the end.

 

You seem to have only read half my post. They cannot afford to keep changing as it is very expensive, and is not cost effective for them.

They have been doing this for years, about twice a year. New fixes come out within days of them changing their ECM. They cannot afford to change any more often.

 

More speculation, its more to do with the emulation method not which boxes can or cannot handle N1/N2. Open source is fixed quicker as its open to the community, closed source is open to a point.

EDIT: Morning Eva is see you are getting into ECMs have to watch your back now lol.

 

Thanks and I hope you are right. Time will tell if this will not be a regular thing.

 

Morning scouser, you're doing a great job! I see you finally got some sleep last night! lol!

 

Still had a late enough one Eva, but good to see things are coming back to some sort of normality. The Replay though not done yet should be along soon enough.

 

Yeah, i had to ask creaky to close the new replay thread i started, even though i had put no code requests in the title and in the first post they were ignoring it.

No biggie, you can just start a new one from scratch when the fix comes out.

 

How do you know how much it costs the Cable Company to roll the keys and have you any evidence of this?

 

Not really a valid question and this thread has gone on enough with rife speculation. If you want something done it costs money, same for them simple as that.

 

Hi Scouser.

I am not speculating, I am asking for facts!

It seems that there are a lot of speculators posting and not having any factual evidence to support their claims.
Of course it costs them money to code change but how much?

I seem to be asking for the earth here lol.

No offence intended.

 

Your not asking for the Earth.........the question is why are you asking, its not of any consequence to this matter? If you what to know, how, why, by whom, how much, its not really applicable to ask any member here these queries. No one will tell you this even if they work for the CC.

I have a lot of facts, but they are of no value here on an open forum. No offence intended........but I call that common sense.

 

So you haven't a clue either! lol

Thanks anyway.

 

Another one for my Xmas card list I see, I have a clue, simple equation is your the one asking the questions.

I am the one trying to give an answer.......between the lines you will see it, but if I have to explain it to you then it will take you awhile to comprehend it. Better of starting off with something easy and work your way up bit by bit, that or Google is a big place and a better place to start.

 

Why are you being rude to people that are here to help? If it wasn't for people like scouser and the others there wouldn't be any fixes.

No offence intended, but nobody is going to tell you anything confidential. They don't know you and you have not proved anything to anyone. Nobody is going to stick their neck out to satisfy your idle curiosity.

 

Apologies if I have offended anyone.

I am trying to ascertain whether this is a flash in the pan or is it new tactics. All through this thread there has been only opinions (and some peurile abuse) and very little hard evidence from anyone.

As no one can help answer this (rumours and opinions are no good) I shall not take delivery of a new box.

Thanks for all useful replies.

 

You don't seem to be able to accept what you are being told. So let me put it in layman's terms.

The keys roll almost every day as normal, they have done since Nagra was cracked if not before. They will continue to roll. Once you have firmware that comprehends the emu data it is receiving then it auto updates and you barely notice it happening as usual. Every 6 months or so the cable company has a push to disrupt illegal boxes and in a bid to protect their interests they alter the EMU method so that the box will not auto update any more. This has happened before and will happen again. So you ask if it will be regular then the answer is yes. Just how regular depends upon how often the CC believes it is cost effective enough to implement changes ( don't ask how much it costs, the plain fact is it is an operation that takes man hours and costs extra above their daily operating costs )

so understand this in conclusion. Keys always roll. Encryption always changes. Up to now the community always finds a way to continue.
You clearly have no idea of even the basics of the things involved here so it would be best to not make wild assumptions then try to dress them up as some kind of 'insight'.
All you need to know is that until there are massive changes implemented by NTL in the way that they deliver their content and encryption that there will be someone clever enough to allow you to continue being a thief.