Jase: Oh, sorry, I had not seen your mention of SKC. Prodisc Cyanine discs are not as widely available as the Phthalo ones, but are still in volume production and available for VERY cheap prices. Everyone: I was talking to a dealer at a CD-R shop (You know, the kind of shop that only sells CDR/W/DVD-R/RW/+R/+RW media and writers)and he was saying that those discs with Digital Storage Technology ATIPs that were Phtalo discs but with Cyanine ATIPs (That gave me problems earlier) were actually made by a taiwanese manufacturer called Vanguard and not DST themselves, using DST stampers. Then I took a look at a disc really made by DST and it looks totally different, serial number-scheme and everything else. Edit: By the way, I got some new Mitsui's. Made in Taiwan, same ATIP, with the oldest box but with a 24x logo on the corner. Really weird.