I just wanted to continue my questions to you guys and answer back some of the questions you gave to me regarding my latest post (got to get this new thread going for myself because the other closed). I will recap for you to refresh your memories: I had the Dell with the 16x DVD+RW burner. 1)BIGORANGE you said that without knowing what the type of burner it was you couldnt really comment to much. Well heres the specs "NEC DVD+RW ND-3100AD". The media I was (hoping) to use are the "BLANK 9.4GB HIGH QUALITY 1X/2X/4X DOUBLE SIDED DVD-R" which were baught from eBay. Now the problem is in no way not even in Decrypter or Windows Media Player does the disc show up in the drive; ie: like discs do when they are bad. I mean none of them work at all. I have put in DVD+/-R/RW discs before and they show up but not these. Now can you help? 2)SCUBAPETE Since I beleive that I do in fact have "flipper discs" and have no clue if my drive supports this your guess is as good as mine. But can you explain any of the above to help out. Basically what the hell do I need to do to get these discs to work or do I need to just sac up and buy new discs and have two discs support one film? Or do they make a double sided DVD+RW if these wont work? And if your answer is NO these discs that I just baught (double sided DVD-R) wont work, does anyone else wnat em for a discount price...lol? Thanks guys.