Can we vote who should be President !

Thanks for getting off the Mason kick - it's hard to read about pple writing something they know nothing at all about -

Yes miss Mary, there is a 33-degree Master Mason and NO ONE can get there who isn't a Master Mason.

BTW, A 33degree Mason is one who almost lives Masonry.

Actually there is a 34-degree Mason a certified degree (fun degree), put on in Pitman NJ, USA.

As far as the "little Bush" goes, a Mason who lies and deceives an entire country would be up for expulsion.

I'm pretty sure He wouldn't have gotten to begin with. We're pretty choosy about who we let in.


Pete

 

awwwwwwww scubapete,yet another reason your my favorite uncle

 

Michigan!! Haymarket!! This is the united States of America. The citizens of the sovereign states decide who will be President. Read the constitution before you start talking about the popular vote.

Neither of the major candidates are total winners. Just ask yourself who is going to do a better job of protecting us. The one who is willing to kick terrorist butt in their country of origin or the one who want to prosecute them in the USA after they have committed a crime here?

As for the Kyoto agreement, look at who else did not sign onto it. Like Russia for one?

And as for John McCain, He and Feingold Co-wrote a piece of legislation that infringes on 1st Ammendment rights. How the hell it ever made it into law & was upheld by th Supreme Court is beyond me. Perhaps there are too many "enlightened" Justices who are too willing to look outside the USA for reasons to justify their vote. Perhaps John McCain could have won the election. The downside would have been Al Gore as Presidnet. Maybe that's why they did not IMPEACH Clinton. It was the end result.


TC


_X_X_X_X_X_[small]Stretch the cash. Bargain hunting. System is not static.[/small]

 

I do hope we will keep this thread in the light banter it started as.

[bold]"Do as I say not as I do"[/bold]

Nicaragua; North Vietnam; El Salvador; Honduras; Korea; Iraq - 1979 and the election of Sadam Hussein; Iran - Pre 1979 ie. The Shah

To name but a few countries that were entitled to vote for their own President - but America knew best !

How can you say Bush is doing a good job ?

An Act of War without any sanction from the UN who said give the Nuclear inspectors more time. 1000 US troops dead; 15,000 civilians dead - countless maimed - a regional war that is out of control and getting worse. According to Senate select committees CIA MI6 (UK) Sadam Hussein had nothing to do with terrorism outside his country. He opressed Muslims ruling them with the iron hand of a dictator, and so never linked to Al Qaeda. No weapons of Mass Destruction - just OIL - actually 25% of the Worlds reserves.

All that has happened in the last 3 years is that now more muslims hate the US, more fanatics are aiming their hate at the US. Remember - a terrorist only has to be lucky once and the Security Forces have to be lucky every time.

Don't forget the US allowed contributions to the IRA to blow up citizens of its closest ally the UK, because of a belief the Irish were oppressed by the British - the reality is most US citizens could not point out Ireland on a map, let alone understand that it was all about religion and a war dating back centuries.

Kyoto - don't sign it because Russia didn't ! Sounds like playground politics. The US accounts for 25% of the worlds CO2 emmissions it is important that they sign such an agreement and try to reduce the oil consumption of their country - just as Europe has cleaned up its act (a bit) in the last few years.

What are you on ? - impeach a President because an employee played with his cigar outside of marriage. The rest of the World laughed !

What about Bush - wants to ban abortion - What ? - I am sure their are good arguments but surely this is stepping back 100 years to illegal butchers chopping up girls.

What is Guantanamo ? - a prison that chooses not to allow any right to defend yourself against the charges made - what charges ? Even the US Supreme court doesn't understand it.

He even boasted, Hollywood-Mafia style, in his 2003 State of the Union speech, that his government has secretly murdered people suspected of being U.S. enemies: "More than 3,000 suspected terrorists have been arrested in many countries, and many others have met a different fate. Let's put it this way: they are no longer a problem to the United States and our friends and allies."

Enough examples - I am not saying Kerry is any better - but Bush has brain washed the American People - people who don't know what happens outside their borders, with only 6% having passports.

The news shown on US TV almost ignores what is happening in the rest of the world. I understand propoganda but in peace time ?

God help us which ever President is chosen.






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[bold]This is the united States of America. The citizens of the sovereign states decide who will be President. Read the constitution before you start talking about the popular vote. [/bold]

The US President is elected by Electoral College vote not by Popular vote.

Since this is turning ugly this will be my last post on this thread.

 

I don't think that we're getting "dirty" stating facts - that's what Phil did and I totally agree with what he stated (as one who has traveled abroad for over 30 years and YES, I have a passport)

Phil, while reading your post I was listening to the ABC evening news. A top story tonight, The release of Bush's military file showing his use of his families connections to avoid obeying orders which would interfere with his running for political office and to avoid taking required physical examinations which would have caused him to be discharged from the service.

As you said, God help us whoever wins the election -

 

If I had to vote I would spoil my ballot. I think Bush will be elected.

I thought any buddy that went up against Bush would win, but then the Democrats selected Kerry. What a mistake.

Whats with all the masons on this site, Should you be drinking beer and runny though mazes in the buff.

 

Okay now.

Let me answerer your tirade, HAYMARKET, my “perception” is that it was not light hearted banter. Unless you are a hardcore contributing member to MoveOn.org.

"Do as I say not as I do": I was not talking about the political affairs of other countries. I am sure that the USA, and numerous other countries, have engaged in guiding the political affairs of other sovereign nations. They all do it to ensure that their sovereignty is not endangered. And to ensure that the way of life they know does not deteriorate. I am not and do not support the subjugation of other countries/peoples to servitude for me, to live the American lifestyle.

But what is the history of Mankind? Take offense at me not saying “humankind” if you like. I am not PC anymore.

You cited nations that were entitled to vote for their President. Huh? Maybe south Korea. Iraqi news said that the populace overwhelmingly (like 100%) voted to for Sadam

You took me out of context on whether or not GW Bush is doing a good job. Has there been a terrorist attack in the USA since 9-11? On the scale of 9-11? Might I add, what about the economic growth we have seen?

As for Iraq, the last UN Security Council resolution threatened IRAQ with military action if it did not provide evidence that it was complying with previous resolutions. If you want to quibble about what amounts to a WMD.....I guess we are only talking about the quantities found. Not the fact that we found some. As for OIL, how much does the USA actually get from Iraq? Did we go there for only oil? If it was only for Oil, why are still paying high prices? Guess a “co-alition” only means if the French, Germans and Russians say they are with us.

What do you mean he had nothing to do with terrorism outside his country? Wasn't he paying $25,000 to the families of suicide bombers attacking innocent civilians in Israel?

Kyoto. Why infer that we (the USA) didn't sign it because the Russians didn't? Seems like industrialized (Capitalistic) countries didn't go along with it because it penalized them and allowed the developing countries to pollute “at will”. Kind of like cutting off your nose in spite of your face.

AS FOR “WHAT I'M ON?” I gave up illegal drugs decades ago. I like beer. I don't drink the Clinton/Kerry electric Koolaide. What was your intent with that remark? The liberal attack on the person and not the message?

As for Abortion: Yes Bush may be against all abortions. But he only signed legislation against “Late Term” abortions. You know, those where the child could be delivered and still survive outside the womb. I can go along with the protection of the mother argument tho.
Bush never boasted in his State of the Union address in 2003 that his government secretly murdered anyone. You are assuming something. Other than that, would you rather have those people alive and more than ready to take you out?


Ah, Guantanamo. Almost forgot that. Guantanamo is leased property on the island of Cuba. It is not a part of the USA. Guess it is a gray area when it comes to US law. Non-citizens are being held there. And it is not US soil, where US laws apply. Yes we are splitting hairs here. Better theirs than ours tho.


SCUBA: you and i could forge the documents you reported as seeing in your last post. (as of 10 Sep 2004)

I see this thread as another “Hate Bush” & “Hate America” rant.

Who do all the terrorists & Socialists want to be the next president of the USA?

TC

 

I don't hate Bush and I think the USA is great country.

I don't believe we should accept the argument that because there hasn't been another 911 then Bush is doing a good job. Hopefully 911 was a one off. The US have never really suffered terrorism on its own land, a few incidents but not many.

Economic growth is always good - but there was a crash in the stockmarket from internet gambling - so is it growth or just a bounce back after a crash and subsequent depression ?

Massive national debt growing by the trillions of $ per year - can't be good - can it?

I guess your saying Bush is the best choice - I think it is nearly at the point he is the only choice - but I do believe that the electorate should not believe everything they are told - actually 90% of it is propoganda, The US is in danger of doing massive damage in the world - from proping up an intollerable regimes such as Israel (blowing up refugee camps can't be the best way to defeat terrorism)and trampling over legal agreed instutions such as the UN. However - great Secretary of State - Powell is trying to get to grips with the Sudan problems.

I still go back to the original question - which was a The original question - which was a bit of fun - whichever President is chosen will affect the rest of the World !