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Creating an MP3 Disc with A DVDr that will play in a MP3 player

Discussion in 'Audio' started by pastorlem, Jan 19, 2004.

  1. Motomatt

    Motomatt Regular member

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    It's supposed to look like a CD thats why you burn it as a DATA disk. This is why your player has to support MP3 playback. Sorta like a plugin for some computer programs that dont support MP3. What program did you use to do that Wilkes? Kinda interested seeing as my player will only allow a certain amount of MP3's.. Thanks

    Matt
     
  2. wilkes

    wilkes Regular member

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    What program did I use to do what?
    Excuse being so dense today, but I'm juggling about 4 jobs and I don't multitask very well.
    Please can you elaborate??
     
  3. qii

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    Wilkes:

    Thanks so much for all of your help.

    Will look into discWelder Bronze...
     
  4. Motomatt

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    What did you use to burn 24 albums onto a DVD with room to spare? Did you just burn a music disk and put all the albums in seperate folders and burn them to DVD? Sorry didn't mean to confuse. 4 jobs? I thought I had it rough..

    Matt
     
  5. wilkes

    wilkes Regular member

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    I used Nuendo 2 to record in the files, and exported as Dolby Digital files using the Nuendo DDE.
    Created the DVD in Adobe Encore, and had to add in a graphic for each track & set chapter points at the track gaps for ease of navigation.
    This ended up a DVD-Video disc.
    It can also be done a lot easier in DVD-Audio, but the maximum playing time at 16/44.1 is around 12 hours when using MLP encoding, but everything stays at CD quality as opposed to being compressed.
    Must admit I have yet to find a client who can actually tell the difference between Dolby Digital and CD Audio.
    It gets easier to tell when using 24/88.2 but that's another story.
    The bad news is that the cost of the software I used comes in at around £2500 ($4500) so it's not a cheap option.
    Quality is superb though.
     
  6. Motomatt

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    I love listening to music but not that much.. 4500 bucks sorta burts my bubble.. I will stick with my 128 bit MP3's lol... Thanks again I appreciate the info knowing that it can be done..

    Matt
     
  7. wilkes

    wilkes Regular member

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    Nothing too wrong with the MP3 approach. It works.
    Remember the new minnetonka DVD-Audio app, discWelder Bronze, is due out in March.
    DVD-Audio authoring for $99
     
  8. qii

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    wilkes:

    "Sonic MyDVD" came with my DVD Burner.

    Allegedly it will allow DVD creation of slideshows with music in the background (using BMPs and WAVs (or MP3s)).

    I don't know if I will get "24 CDs on a DVD with room to spare" as you did, but its FREE (if it, in fact, works)...

    Will I lose too much quality using MP3s?

     
  9. wilkes

    wilkes Regular member

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    You cannot use MP3 for your audio on DVD, it is not an acceptable audio format.
    The options are:
    NTSC - Dolby Digital, PCM, DTS(optional, may not be supported by all players)
    PAL - Dolby Digital, PCM, MPEG Audio - this is MPEG-1 and not MP3, DTS(optional, not supported by all players).

    Your best bet will be to use Dolby Digital in 2/0. I don't think that the app you mention supports multichannel. It certainly does not support DTS.

    The space you can save with DD is enormous. You will use about the same as a good MP3, 192KB/sec, and the quality is definitely better.
    You will almost certainly need background images, and these must also be at the correct resolution for DVD.
    Specs are:
    NTSC - 720x480, 704x480,352x480,352x240
    PAL - 720x576, 704x576, 352x576, 352x288

    One more thing. I do not know how MyDVD handles overrides. This is very useful, and lets you "re-use" a timeline more than once. For your example, a music DVD, in Adobe Encore you can create all your timelines using individual tracks and link a "play all" button to song 1, end action to song 2, end action to song 3 etc. Then you create overrides. Link these to another menu with all the track names & override back to the menu. This gives you the option to play individual tracks, or all at once.
    Well worth a look, is Encore. There is a 30 day tryout for download at www.adobe.com it's a lot more money, but you can find it for around $400 if you hunt around online.
    Best of luck with the Sonic MyDVD.

    Nearly forgot to mention - If you don't have a DD (AC3) encoder, apparently BeSweet do a pretty good one. There is a link to it on AfterDawn.
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  10. qii

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    Wilkes:

    Thank you once again for the AMAZING wealth of information. There is so much to learn (and so little money)

    :)
     
  11. qii

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    Wilkes:

    It turns out I have "MyDVD LE" which will not do the job. I downloaded "Abobe Encore DVD" per your suggestion.

    "Your best bet will be to use Dolby Digital in 2/0"

    Is that the actual setting I use in Adobe Encore DVD to get 24 albums (converted to WAVs and onto my HD) to DVD?
     
  12. wilkes

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    Okay - the way to proceed is like this.
    1/. Take your original CD, and either rip it to WAV or record it into your system somehow. (you are gonna need a lot of space on your HDD for this).
    Use 16 bit 48KHz for this.
    2/. Import each album's WAV file into Encore as an asset. Do not create a timeline yet.
    3/. When everything has been imported, create your timelines - use one album per timeline. Add in chapter points at each track break, so you will be able to access individual tracks if you wish.
    There will be a setting called "transcode" in your asset list - make sure this is set to Dolby Digital 2/0 at 192KB/sec. I believe it is one of the default settings. When I did this, I used Nuendo's Dolby Encoder, but the one in Encore works just fine. You may want to transcode the files now, so you can check the encoding back using preview mode.
    4/. (the hard bit) For me, creating the menu is the hardest part. I cheated and got our graphics department to do this in Photoshop, but there is a perfectly adequate menu creation facility in Encore.
    This should have a button for every album you have created timelines for.
    5/. Go back to your project window, and click on the timelines tab. You should see a list of the timelines you created earlier. If this all looks okay, we are getting there.
    6/. Click on the "menus" tab, and double click your menu - it should then appear in a simulated TV screen. At the bottom is a "title safe" grpahic button. Press this, and make sure that all your buttons are within the viewable area. What we did was a small thumbnail image of each albums sleeve so it is easier to see where we were. Click on each button, and over in the "properties" box, you will see an option called "link". Point this at the correct timeline, chapter 1 (or the track title, if you named your chapter points). Set the End Action to go back to the menu. Repeat this for every album/timeline in the project. You should also set the menu remote option to go back to the menu too, so you will be able to navigate the disc properly using the players remote.
    7/. If you like, you can put a graphic in the timeline too, although in Encore this is not a necessity if you can't be bothered. I found this out by accident when I forgot to include the still image on a couple of tracks in a big project.
    8/. Once you are happy that all the links have been set, go back to your menu page in the project window, right click it and select "preview from here".
    You can then fully preview your disc to make sure everything works as it should.
    9/. When you are ready to burn the DVD, go to the "disc" tab in the project window, and ensure that you have enough room on the DVD. As I said, you should get around 24 albums on a single DVD. I also ALWAYS do the first burn to a re-writable disc, as it is very easy to forget something, and Encore will erase the RW for you for reuse. Don't worry about erasing it in advance, just pop the disc in. If there is something already on it, it will ask you if you want to erase the current contents. just say yes.
    Also, and this is extremely important, turn off everything that is running in the background - particularly virus programs, and especially any Norton/Symantec stuff you have in the background.

    You also get the option from the drop down "file/Make DVD" menu to write your project to a folder for Computer based DVD playback, although some software players seem to work better than others. We use Cyberlink PowerDVD for this.

    Hopefully, everything will be okay for you. DVD writing can be a bit of a bugger, though, and there are all sorts of things that can go wrong.
    This method definitely works.

    Hope this is helpful for you.
    LOL
    :-}
     
  13. qii

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    Wilkes:

    but, but, but

    I didn't get YOU anything...

    :)

    Do you like Brownies, or Fudge?
     
  14. wilkes

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    Brownies....
    Fudge.....
    Doughnuts.....

    mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

    glad to be of some help.
     
  15. Motomatt

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    Thanks wilkes... you the man

    Matt
     
  16. seircram

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    Hello Wilkes!

    Thanks for the info., however, could you elaborate on step number 3:

    3/. When everything has been imported, create your timelines - use one album per timeline. Add in chapter points at each track break, so you will be able to access individual tracks if you wish.

    I kind of got lost in Encore trying to just string together the imported songs (assets) so I could create Chapters. How to you linearly add the songs to one Timeline (album)?

    I'm sure you are very busy, but creating a more detailed guide and getting it hosted on, say DVDHELP, would be great for all of us.

    I've tried to "quickly" get an audio compilation DVD together using DVD-Lab, Encore, DVD Architect, and even DVD+Audio (the program, not the Specification) and
    have not gotten the results I want.

    As an aside, I came across a sourceforge project that sounds neat (but unfortunately is under linux only because it's in Bash) called DVD Slideshow. You can create the DVD project AUTOMATICALLY based on the directory structures and (graphics/"Slides") file names.

    This could be the basic menu structure for a DVD audio compilation disk, and instead of (or in addition to) the graphics [files] add the songs [files].

    Essentially you could just have a root directory, containing album directories (up to 99 deep), containing songs. Root directory = main menu title, album directories = sub menus titles, song names = chapter names. In the root menu, a graphic file with the same name as an album directory would be used for the album menu graphic (e.g., an album cover thumbnail). In the album directory, a graphic file with the same name as a song would be used for on-screen graphic for that song/chapter.

    It will be interested to see what is available a year from now after DVD+Audio and discWelder Bronze have a chance to mature.

     
  17. andmerr

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    hey wilkes didnt think this thread was still going
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    minnetonka DVD-Audio app, discWelder Bronze, is due out in March.
    DVD-Audio authoring for $99

    would you by chance have a link for the above

    regards

    andmerr
     
  18. wilkes

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    Sorry for not being clearer!!
    I forgot to mention that to assemble the tracks for each album properly you are gonna need a stereo wave editor, or a sequencer. Doesn't matter much which you use.
    For each album you rip, you need to get all the songs one after the other as a continuous wave file. Write down the times of the track breaks and use these for your chapter points.
    The Audio will need to be in 16 bit 48K for import into Encore. Then you can transcode each timeline into Dolby Digital 2/0 which gives you an enormous space saving.

    Please feel free to email me offlist for more detail, and I will do a guide from start to finish.


    Andmerr - you need www.discwelder.com - not sure exactly when this is due out, but it should be very soon. It is limited though. You only get a single group, with a maximum of 99 tracks, but it is genuine DVDA at up to 24/192 stereo although personally I'm not at all convinced about the validity of using a samplerate that high.
     

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