I will look at the F1 thing for the next time I am on thanks The bit I am having a problem with is what I need to run the pc as the driver names are not enough for me to understand I ended up with SATA RAD programs running that are for diagnostic use . I also had to disable the onboard sound card so that the sound blaster would work. It is all a bit messy. The pc is working OK now but I want to make a plan for the next time. I could only get the drivers in on a flopy after format, is this how it should be done.