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:: DVD rebuilder & return of the king... dissapointing results...

Discussion in 'DVD / BD-Rebuilder forum' started by babelfish, Aug 19, 2004.

  1. vurbal

    vurbal Administrator Staff Member

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    This is really starting to annoy me (not you - the CCE's problem). I'm sure I wouldn't notice it on my TV, and maybe not on a friend's 56" widescreen (SDTV), but I'm equally sure it would stick out on another friend's HDTV. I may have to run my ROTK through DVD-RB just to see how the NTSC version comes out. I've already verified that the original has similar noise to the PAL version, but I don't think it's quite as bad. As much as I hate to say this, we may just be seeing that unless you can figure out the right combination of AviSynth filters (and that may take a real AviSynth expert), some poorly encoded sources (with the encoding artifacts in the original at a lower than optimal bitrate I have to consider it poorly encoded) DVD Shrink may be better in areas with artifacts. I'll get back to you later when I have some more time to work on it.
     
  2. 1Adonis4u

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    For movie-only backups the best option is to use DVD2DVD-R with CCE... the best of the best!
     
  3. vurbal

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    I'm willing to entertain that notion, but I'd like to see more proof than just your word. Don't take this personally as it's not an attack, just a request for proof. If you have ROTK (particularly if it's the PAL version) I'd love to see some samples from the scene we've been discussing backed up with DVD2DVDR.
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  4. ddlooping

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    Damn, I wish I had used this scene in my DVD2DVD-R comparisons. :/
    (I have deleted this backup a while ago)
    However, if the other clips are anything to go by, both versions look identical.
    This would confirm it's not a DVD-RB issue, but a CCE one.

    I have now finished my last test. No improvement that I can see. :(

    http://www.dvdshrink.info/temp/beta/CCE_TESTS3_7.zip

    The first clip is from my initial test.
    The second clip with progressive on, undot, deen quality_prec 12/18.
    The third clip with progressive on, undot, deen quality_prec 32?/50.

    I'm looking forward to your test results, vurbal, as I personally give up.
    Thanks again for all your help and guidance.
     
  5. vurbal

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    No problem :) At least you know a little (or maybe a lot) more about CCE and AviSynth now. I can't complain either because I'm definitely learning some things here, and hopefully when I'm done with it I'll have learned a little more still.
     
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    I have definately learn quite a bit about CCE and AviSynth. :)
     
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    ddlooping,

    I'm am confused at your response.
    I just checked your clips and like mine the smoothing takes out virtually all the noise.
    They are side by side on my screen. What gives.

    Vurbal, can you verify the difference between the clips.
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  8. vurbal

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    I'll let you know when I have time to make a proper comparison. Right now I'm trying to finish my first DRM guide before I get lynched ;)
     
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    Take your time. DRM is more important anyway. This is just killing time.
     
  10. ddlooping

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    Donald, when you say the clips are side by side, do you mean you have two instances of your software player opened?
     
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    It was the same seperately and with different programs so that doesn't fly.
    Win dvd and media player classics are the same.
    What is your setup. Can you post the same exact comparison with stills like you did before. that should put it to rest.
     
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    I will be shortly making another frame-capture comparison, just for you. ;)



     
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    on a side note i did a backup of (r2 pal) 12 monkeys in CCE the other night... keeping the 'hamster factory' hour long extra... i did a 25% steal on it - the quality is terrible... and so is the asctual 12 monkeys movie itself.. i think i need to do some research as DVDRB had taken it to 16:9 even tho the original on DVD is 4:3 (iirc)

    any ideas?
     
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    P.S: using screen captures I can actually see a difference between the CCE backups.
    The latest one (CCE 2.69 / Undot(); Deen(); quality_prec 32/50) is even noisier than the others.
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    I didn't see any frames from the CCE smoothed sets from your last batch. What is on screen is nothing like your last posted results or my results.

    You just screwing with me now.
     
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    I have simply added a capture from my latest test.
    The quality_prec was set to 50 in CCE (which I think would correspond to 32 in DVD-RB).
    The Undot and Deen filters were used.
    The progressive mode enabled.
    I didn't bother making captures from my previous test, with quality_prec at 18 in CCE (all other settings identical to the last test) because I thought it looked identical to the others.
    I will do it though, and upload it to the same page, but after my dinner.
     
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    for anyone...

    I've been trying to get a handle on what it is that ddlooping is trying to achieve right now with the different RB and/or CCE settings? My impression right now is that there is noise in the original DVD that he would like to smooth out (hide). Also, does this noise appear to be specific to only the PAL version of ROTK?

    If someone could provide a general, conceptual overview, I would appreciate it. This would help me get the technical aspects of this discussion into perspective. Thanks.




     

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