I use DVD Decrypter for strait ripping, if the DVD is under 6.5 gigs I use Srhink and Nero. If the DVD is around or over 6.5 gigs I use DVD Decrypter to rip, DVD2one to compress, and CopyToDvD to burn. I like the editing capabilities of DVD Shrink and its interface to nero. But I think that DVD2one is better on large type 9 files than Shrink and it interfaces with CopyToDvD just as Shrink does with Nero. The best application for compressing and burning type 9 DVDs is in my opinion, Intervideo's DVDcopy 2, I just completed a rip and burn of mission impossible 2 in file mode (7.8 + gigs), I took nothing out and yet it was a perfect (as far as one can see) 1:1 copy. _X_X_X_X_X_[small]"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth." Sherlock Holmes (by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, 1859-1930)[/small]
but unfortunately Intervideo DVD copy 2 has this big Macroblock/Pixelation bug see other threads in this forum regarding this problem
I can only report what I saw and the rsults were excellent as in Zero pixelation. Perhaps the recent update has fixed this problem or it's random and the 3 day trial might not be long enough for me to discover it. I would have liked more manual adjustments but for a newbie that just wants quick and easy results the app is very effective. I searched the net and did find a couple of references to the pixelation problem but the complainer also stated that his successful results were better than other compression engines. All I can say is download it and take it for a spin, its fully funtional for 3 days. I would also be interested in results made on a defferent system. I'll do another Movie today and tomorrow until the temporary license expires to see if I run across the problem. I also did a DiVx copy and it came in just under 600 megs. The application burned it to a CD=R and it's compliant with DVD players that are DiVx compatible (or at least some since I could only test it on 1 player and my PC). The picture was again excellent. Someone else want to give it a try and see if they run across the Bug? _X_X_X_X_X_[small]"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth." Sherlock Holmes (by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, 1859-1930)[/small]
I've gotten a little lazy of late. I just let AnyDVD run in the background. Sophocles is right the big hammer is still DVD Decrypter when you have a program that just wants to be balky decrypting, more power and options. And that CopyToDVD sure makes the burner interface simple. Liked DVD2one well enough to keep it. Use em all and like em. Haven't suffered any pixelation with any of them. The only time I got a problem with pixelation was using 321 software where I shouldn't have. It works well with modest size files. Their algorithm tends to fail when dealing with high compression rates. In other words I shouldn't have had a middleweight fighting in the heavyweight class. Not to give 321 a blackeye, I do sometimes edit larger files down with Platinum in the Advanced setting. As I said, I've personally not run into pixelation issues as long as the programs are used within reason. _X_X_X_X_X_[small][bold]'brobear'[/bold] [/small]
Hey brobear, have you tried Intervideo's DVDCopy 2 yet and if so what was your experience with it? I'm trying to discover the pixelation bug that others have mentioned and as of yet I've been unable to. Instead I'm getting excellent results that may be pointing to a new DVD Decrypter and compression burn combo for large type 9 files.
Edited the last post. No, still ignorant to DVDCopy2. I'll run out and get a copy so I know what everyone is talking about. Knew what you were talking about on all the others though and I haven't run into any wild pixels. check the previous post.
Im looking forward to hearing your results. Use the largest type 9 DVD you can find and rip its entire contents in file mode. For the DiVx copy rip it in IFO mode.
the macroblock/pixelation bug is much different from the "normal" pixelation in other programms there are huge white pixels randomly over the screen from 6 DVD's I copied with Intervideo DVD Copy 2 only two worked... these two were excellent though you couldn't see a difference to the original nearly, but two others showed this white pixels/artefacts and two had a failure in the vob logic and stopped playing after 25-30min. of watching. If only one third of movies can be copied I don't want to pay for this programm. dvd's i copied: Once upon a time in mexico (perfect) Matrix revolutions (perfect) Down with love (pixelation/artefacts) Untouchables (pixelation/artefacts) Looney Tunes back in Action (stopped after 25min. of playing) Pirates of the caribbean (stopped after 25min. of playing)
I just finished doing a back-up of the X-Men with DVDCopy 2, which Decrypter, identifies in file mode as being more than 8 gigs (I removed nothing) and it’s almost perfect. Again no pixelation of any kind and so far my wife and son can't tell which is the original is or which is the b back-up. It was played on 36" Sony Wega. I would still be interested in a test done by others.
So far I've had success in 2 of 2 DVD back ups and 1 DiVx back up and still no Pixelation of any kind. I even took a large magnifying glass during an action scene and it looks as good as the original. I've played both disks in all three of my stand alone players without incident. Frisk, what media were you using , I'm using Verbatim 4X DVD+R (bought them for my new Plextor to burn at 8X).
Sophocles, Using DVD Decrypter all the time can cause problems, Not eliminate them - DVD Decrypter Vs. DVD Shrink Think of DVD Shrink as a specialist who picks the encryption apart piece by piece, laying everything out so that the program can always be re-assembled perfectly. Now think of DVD Decrypter as a strong-arm guy with a sledgehammer that will smash the encryption apart with brute force until it all lies flat upon the ground. Sometimes ripping (smashing ) with DVD Decrypter will screw up a DVD so that it cannot be re-assembled correctly. We need it on rare concessions when DVD Shrink won't work. BUT recently, we have been able to use DVD Decrypter to burn DVD Shrink's files to our DVD. Very good thing, that ) Here's the problem, if your DVD is multi-angled, you will lose the angle. The switching, from one chapter to the next, is controlled by the IFO files. When you use DVD Decrypter you kind of "Mash" those IFO files and so the player cannot read them therefore has no idea where to go. In one case the DVD ran 2/3rds of the way through OK then switched to French for the rest of the movie. Bloody annoying, that. It also plays havoc with complex IFO's like Disney stuff, which has sections out of order. IFO files tell the player where to go from one chapter to the next therefore you begin watching the movie out-of-order missing some chapters entirely. The DVD's I speak of are also the one's where the DVD's size was 4.9GB but when you attempt to edit them using re-author, the size grows to 8.2GB. The reason is that if you play the main VOB not all the chapters are there. The IFO's switch the player back and forth between the main VOB and others combining them all together to produce the complete DVD. Therefore, we want to use DVD Shrink all the time and only falling back to use DVD Decrypter when come across one of the rare DVD's that DVD Shrink cannot handle. Of course we do have another option - we can use DVD43 (FREE), running in the background to aid DVD Shrink. DVD43 runs in the background making it appear that your disc doesn't have any encryption or region. THEN use DVD Shrink which has a decryptor all it's own (it's really more of a decoder), then use DVD Decrypter to burn the ISO image that DVD Shrink puts out OR use Nero to burn your VIDEO_TS folder to disc. Either way is fine. Now the ONLY time you want to use DVD Decrypter is if DVD43 and DVD Shrink cannot rip a particular DVD. OR, if you are dealing with a DVD-5 then use "ISO read" mode to rip it to your HD and then change the mode to "ISO write" to burn to disc, very fast, that Ya might have gone a tad too far there - a backup is either a 1:1 copy or it isn't. There is no way a 7.8+ Gig is a 1:1 copy. It may LOOK like the original, but looking like it's good and calling it a 1:1 is like saying I just installed new shocks on my VW and when I take it for a ride and it IS a Lincoln Continental - cheers, "P" frisk, Trust me, the stopping of your DVD after 25 minutes has nothing to do with processing or compression, I would be looking toward a media problem or a source problem - You might want to try some of the recommended media to see if that works with the same original and processing programs - Cheers, Pete
[bold]If the DVD is around or over 6.5 gigs I use DVD Decrypter to rip, DVD2one to compress, and CopyToDvD to burn.[/bold]I like the editing capabilities of DVD Shrink and its interface to nero. But I think that DVD2one is better on large type 9 files! [bold]above is a copy and paste from the original post[/bold] Pete, I never use DVD Decrypter all the time, only with large files that are used in conjunction with an alternate compressing and burning software. In my view Dvd2one is a better type 9 file compressor than is Shrink, and not by conjecture, but by trial, experience, and comparison. I fully understand and know how to use Shrink, I use its re-authoring mode quite freqeuntly for movie only back-ups. [bold]Now think of DVD Decrypter as a strong-arm guy with a sledgehammer that will smash the encryption apart with brute force until it all lies flat upon the ground.[/bold] Pete I love your use of adjectives but are we still talking about DVD Decrypter and shrink? [bold]Sometimes ripping (smashing )with DVD Decrypter will screw up a DVD so that it cannot be re-assembled correctly.[/bold] HUH! [bold]We need it on rare concessions (you mean occasions?)[/bold] when DVD Shrink won't work. BUT recently, we have been able to use DVD Decrypter to burn DVD Shrink's files to our DVD. Very good thing, that. Pete! DVD Decrypter is largely, because SmartRipper was abandoned, the remaining premier DVD ripping application, period. Shrink does a pretty good job too but its strengths are in editing and compression, it's free, but it easily takes a second place to Decrypter for ripping. [bold]It also plays havoc with complex IFO's like Disney stuff [/bold]Half of my 400 plus collection was ripped in IFO mode using DVD Decrypter, compressed with DVD2one, and burned with CopyToDvd, and I'd like to report, no havoc. In fact if you want to rip in IFO mode, Decrypter is the best of the free, and the commercial. My statement:"I took nothing out and yet it was a perfect [bold]this is clearly meant to be an expression[/bold(as far as one can see [bold]is describing human visual limitations and not to be taken literally[/bold] 1:1 copy. One could use shrink all the time and why not? It's a very good free application, but it's only the best choice, sometimes. _ _ _X_X_X_X_X_[small]"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth." Sherlock Holmes (by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, 1859-1930)[/small]
@pete it stopped on the pc (power DVD) after 25min. as well, not a media problem but a logical failure in the vob files generated by Intervideo DVD copy2 Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looney Tunes back in Action (stopped after 25min. of playing) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Trust me, the stopping of your DVD after 25 minutes has nothing to do with processing or compression, I would be looking toward a media problem or a source problem -
@sophocles You don't need magnifyng glass when you have your first disc with this macroblock/pixelation artefacts they are big and white (has nothing to do with the "normal" macroblocks from other transcoders). It looks like parts of the screen are missing, and there are big white blocks maybe 8x8 pixels randomly over the screen). By the way, it's a well known problem as many users have this problem, in some movies it's only in particular scenes, the worst copy IVDVDcopy2 created was Down with love, big white blocks during the whole movie. And of course it's not a media problem, I have all the mentionned bugs on the PC (Power DVD) as well.
Frisk, I believe you and there is at least one other person on the forum that's also looking for the defect, but so far I've been able to find it. It may be that Intervideo has fiixed the bug or that it's not so common. So far I've backed three large type 9 movies without a hitch. The back up I made of the X-Men gave me an opportunity to compare it with DVD2one and DVDcopy 2 was easily better. _X_X_X_X_X_[small]"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth." Sherlock Holmes (by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, 1859-1930)[/small]
@Sophocles read this thread http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/2/77631 there are eleven persons involved in the discussion, all have the big white artefacts.... E-ternal wrote on 31 May 2004 10:59 tested this and did the same movie today with the latest Intervid 2.0B002.09C00 As the blocks do not appear on all movies, it is has probably something to do with slightly different coded mpeg streams that VOB sets contain. To fix this it will probably cost not much time and hopefully we'll see a updated IVI Dvd Copy with bugless transcoder soon. which Version are you using actually? Maybe they have already released a fixed version in the meantime, unfortunately the given information about versions or bugfixes made on their Homepage are poor (these informations just don't exist)
I downloaded the latest trial version which was fully functional for 3 days. In that time I've made 2 DiVx copies and 7 type 9 back-ups and no problems. It may be that they've quietly added a fix. Not to be put-off I've emailed them describing the problems that have been reported by members of AD and I am waiting for a reply. If I don't get one then I will just keep copying and pasting the same email until they get sick of me. From what I've seen so far if they fix any bugs that DVDCopy might have they will have a good product but they won't get my money until the issue is resolved.
I enjoy DVD Shrink and yes the fact that its free is also a plus but I'm looking for the best possible result with large type 9 DVDs.
Just a question or 2 and I'll tell you of the white pixel I saw. My computer was working perfect. So why did the copy of DVD43 (downloaded from AfterDawn) cause my System 32 folder to open after booting (every time)? An annoyance that wasn't there before. And as DVD43 has no off switch, you're stuck with it running from start. Great for Newbies, but a great irritant for us that like an off button. With DVD43 removed, why does the System 32 still popup and what do I do to fix it? As for the DVD Decrypter - DVD Shrink debate. Guess I've been lucky during my last couple of hundred burns. The decryption doesn't seem to have been an issue. A question for ScubaPete, as he brought it up. Do those IFO files get squashed by Decrypter or could it be by whatever editing program used to set up the burn? Possibly I use decrypter more than I should. But I do it because I have never had the problem others have. I guess it takes a run of coasters to make me change. I use decrypter because I have a [bold]personal[/bold] preference for using ISO files. I used Shrink to edit with Nero in auto to burn. The trusty Shrink never let me down. And with those big Disney movies, could we have a problem with compression and not decryption? I need something clarified, forgive an old 'codger' like myself. When decrypter puts the folder/movie onto the hard drive in ISO or files , [bold](in default)[/bold], isn't it just laying out those files minus the encryption? And if a person wants to decrypt to hard drive, isn't the resulting image already edited by Shrink? Is Shrink worth the extra time? Doesn't Shrink take twice as long as decrypter because it is prepping the files to put on the hard drive just the same as it would to send the files to the Nero burning ROM? Sorry I got carried away asking questions there. I have problems understanding sometimes, hope you can be of help. Sophocles, I finally found that elusive white pixel and the little critter is hard to keep up with. Could this thing be another result of compression? I was working with 'The Return Of The King'. It weighs in at about 8.5 GB (x-long movie). The movie alone is well over 7 GB. I recorded using Imation +R with my trusty old Memorex dual format burner. I got spectacular results playing the movie on my RCA 60 inch rear projection set. I did however see a white pixel. During a battle scene (where the heroine cuts off the flying beast's head to protect her father)a white pixel occurred for a millisecond. Had I blinked, I would have missed it. I reran the scene and the blip wasn't there. I reran the same scene and never saw the 'white pixel' again. Remember, this was a 8.5 GB movie going on a 4.7 disc. What would cause a white pixel that would show up in one spot and then not show up when rerun, immediately? At this high a compression level, the rest of my software would have been giving me 'skipping' coasters. So, I think I'll use the program some more. My other experience with high compression, 'Pirates of the Caribbean', was interesting. Decrypter and Platinum RF did the work once and I did [movie only] with Shrink. Both resulted in a movie that would skip. Going in rerun would play the scene. Here is a question. Why would a movie that 'skips', start playing properly after it's been played a couple of times? It has happened a couple of times on different movies from different studios using different software and at different compression levels using different media. Now there is an elusive little devil.
