Experiencing Difficulty Using DVD RB and CCE? If So, Then Ask Your Questions Here.

Hello everybody. This is my first post after following this thread and this forum for months.

First of all, I want to share that I'm using this configuration with success.
DVD-RB v0.92 + Decoder that is in the Zip file (I received the new v0.93 but I haven't installed it yet)
CCE Basic v2.70.1.4 (no problems with this version)
Avisynth v2.5.5.0
My computer is an HP Laptop ZT3000 with DVD+RW.

I setup the above using Afterdawn's guide.

I have two questions based in two scenarios:

1. I tried to backup the movie Jesus of Nazareth (Directed by Franco Zefirelli). I used two Avisynth filters: Undot() and Deen(). The movie is more than 6 hrs long in two DVDs. Each DVD has more than 3 hrs and around 7GB with no Extras. The result is not what I expected; a lot of pixelation.
Question: What is the best setup to backup this kind of old long movie?

2. The same issue of a long movie; Scarface with DTS audio. More than 7 GB. Extras in Disk2. What is the best setup to backup this long more modern movie? With filters or without filters?

jdobbs: May I use DVD-RB with a multiangle/Interleave movie (Like Matrix or Starwars) using the option: "Movie and Menu Only (Blank Extras)"?

Thanks to this forum and all the people sharing experience and time.

Saludos,

Jw

 

I backed up Scarface, tried without filters, with different combinations of filters, CCE Basic , CCE SP 3 to 6 passes, QuEnc, and none of the things I tried looked good. Then I sat down and watched the original and you know what the original looked awful. There was moving shadows on sufaces of walls(were there shouldn't have been), misc pixels everywhere, everything looked choppy. I was so used to the superior backups that I was disapointed with Scarface, but after comparing the original and the backup they were just about identical. Can't blame RB, it had a crappy source to begin with. BTW my backup using Basic and filter deen looked most like the original.

 

@jwg

Three hours on a DVD-5 shouldn't really be too much of a challenge for CCE. Is it a Region 1 NTSC disc? If so I'll pick it up and give it a test. Are you using the default settings?

You'd have to look at the original to decide whether and what kind of filters to use. There are filters to remove graininess, random dots, film scratches, color bleed -- literally hundreds.

A lot could depend on angles, the kind and count of audio tracks... etc.

 

Ppower:
Thanks, you're right, the source (scarface) is not good enough to judge the RB result.

jdobbs:
Yes, it is region 1. It is a 1977 movie and I think Franco Zefirelli tried to re-create Jesus' epoch so the quality of video is not good.
I used default settings as recommended in Afterdawn's guide. i, then, added two Avisynth filters: undot() and Deen().

Probably, Deen() filter was not a good idea due to the poor source, but I don't know.

It will be interesting if you can try it. Link below.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...1/102-4032114-7294513?v=glance&s=dvd&n=507846

BTW: Taking about un-pleasant results, I also backed up Eagles "Hell Freezes Over" (7.8 GB disk) without removing any feature and without using any Avisynth filter and the result wasn't good also. Even my wife saw the difference vs the original when I played the backup and she didn't know.

What do you guys suggest for music videos where there is no "extras" to remove? I have a lot that I want to backup. Deen() filter??

But, hey, more than 25 backups now with great results.

Jw

 

Often music discs contain LPCM audio -- if you are going to put it on a DVD-5 the LPCM track has to go. It will use over a gigabyte for a two hour performance. When you add in the other audio tracks (DD5.2, DD2.0), it doesn't leave a lot of space for the video.

 

I agree with jdobbs regarding some LPCM recordings provided that there is also an AC3 or DTS track included on the source DVD. LPCM (Linear Pulse code Modulation) is an outmoded method of audio storage that's been around for over 25 years (CD's). PCM unfortunately is found most often in concert footage and if you delete it then you also delete the sound tracks to large portions of the recorded concert.

For instance the Beatles Anthology shows old film footage of their performances and many of the sound tracks are in PCM. Remove the PCM tracks and you end up with film footage that has no sound, and you ruin the movie. So remove PCM if it has an AC3 duplicate but if not you'll have to keep it.

 

I just attempted my first back-up with DVD-Rebuilder. I used HC because I do not have CCE. I got as far as this:

.....
.......
- Creating M2V for VTS_02 segment 11
- Creating M2V for VTS_02 segment 12
- Creating M2V for VTS_02 segment 13
- Creating M2V for VTS_02 segment 14
[11:38:29] Phase II ENCODING completed in 2131 minutes.
[11:38:30] Phase III, REBUILD started.
- Copying IFO, BUP, and unaltered files...
The specified source path is not valid. Reset to blank.


Can anyone please tell me what this means?
-I went and looked in my "output" folder and I had an AUDIO_TS & VIDEO_TS folder. The AUDIO folder was empty and the VIDEO folder has some .VOB, .IFO, .BUP files in it.
-Then I went and looked in the work folder and there was a folder named: D2VAVS. This file had 550 objects in it. A series of large .m2v files/objects with their own 1 KB and 3KB .AVS and .FLG files/objects.
I am very new with Rebuilder.... Does all of this mean that I have all the movie info on my hard drive but was unable to succesfully rebuild the movie? Or did my efforts ammount to pretty much nothing?

Any help would be awesome. I thank anyone ahead of time who responds. Thanx

 

It looks like the original files are no longer available for DVD Rebulder to use in the REBUILD phase. Did you remove them?

 

I didn't remove any files... I thought that maybe the files in the work folder were the movie?

 

Update.

1. Eagles "Hell Freezes Over"
Jdobbs: Very good advise. After examining the disk I found that PCM audio uses 1.17GB and DTS 1.15GB. There is a difference of 41.8% vs 65.9% in video compression if using PCM track or not. Now I understand why my first backup looked really bad. It was 41.8% compressed video. Now as Sophocles said, the only trade off is that if I remove the PCM track, the backup can be only used in DTS systems.
I will take care of this in all "Concert Videos" backups.

Do you guys still suggest to use Deen() and/or Undot() filters?

2. Jesus of Nazareth (1977 Movie)
Facts:
a) Source is very poor. One of the most displeasing I've seen.
b) Audio is just 350MB. More than 4GB for video
c) Movie es more than 3 hrs. Compression around 62.6%

I made three scenarios: 1) Without filters. 2) With Undot() and 3) with Undot().Deen() filters.

All backups are very similar but a little bit poorer than original. I think I prefer the Undot() version. Perhaps this is the case where other filters are more suitable for this job, but I don't know more than this two basic ones.

BTW. I succesfully update my RB to version 0.93.2.

Jw

 

Jwg

Yes, but in some examples LPCM is the only choice.

 

@Jdobbs

Well its certainly been awhile and there is something I have to ask regarding DVD-RB's new decoder feature.

I'm using a P4 3.2GHZ PC and I don't know if there is any particular link but my recent encodes are taking double the time now. So I ask what is a good setting for my PC...

P4 3.2GHZ
1.5GB Dual Channel
120GB HD 7200RPM

 

i had the same question and was told 32 bit simple mmx (xvid) is the same as iDCT=7 . i checked that setting and my encodes are alot faster now .

 

@HKT3020

There's been nothing done recently that would slow your processsing. What you've probably done is backed up a DVD that has a lot of frames. Episodic DVDs are a good example. The time it takes to encode is based upon the total number of frames that have to be encoded, not necessarily the size of the original or the length in time.

Many episodic discs can hold 3 plus hours of video -- and it is (on NTSC) encoded at 29.97 fps (rather than the 23.976 that is common on the feature of most film DVDs). So a minute of video could be 1798 frames as opposed to 1439 (a 25% increase in encoding time).

Of course there's always the possibility that you've decrease the task priority or have something else taking CPU time also.... but DVD-RB and CCE are taking the same amount of time as they always have.

 

Jdobbs,

You mentioned that: It looks like the original files are no longer available for DVD Rebulder to use in the REBUILD phase. Did you remove them?
I did not remove anything to my knowledge at all. I still have a WHOLE LOT of files/objects in my Rebuilder work folder. Can Rebuilder still use these files/objects to do the REBUILD phase? If so please tell me how and if not I'd love to know why. Thanks...

-TMO

 

@ Jdobbs

Right you are about it being a episodic/season (Batman TAS DVD), just wanted to have that bit cleared up for me. Also I should add, loving the new features packed into the PRO version. A nifty all in one program, much appreciated as always. ;-)

 

Hello.

I've been using DVD-RB with CCE 2.70 SP now for quite a while without any problems what so ever. However, very recently every time I have tried to back up one of my DVD's the program has been freezing my PC about 10 to 20 minutes or so into the process.

I have tried uninstalling everything including Avisynth, CCE and DVD-RB, re-installing and getting the same problem. I have uninstalled every program that I have added to my system since I have started using DVD-RB with CCE but I still get the problem with every attempted backup.

Is there anything else that I could try, or any further information that I could provide for anyone to offer advise on what I should try next, or has anyone had this problem before who could let me know what I could try to sort this problem out.

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

Is your PC overclocked? One thing you will find out about CCE is that it is the best memory/processor stability checker there is... I know, your're thinking "but other things don't bomb out" -- but, believe me, MPEG encoding will put more demand on your system than any other type of processing.

You may also want to check the temperatures on the CPU. This time of year (assuming you're in the Northern Hemisphere) is when the heat starts causing problems (it has on one of my computers, and I had to add a supplementary chassis fan).

 

Defragment your hard disk, a fragmented hard disk can cause that.

 

I just tried to backup a Metallica DVD, Cunning Stunts, and the original was 7.71GB and Rebuilder said "Detected ANGLE and/or INTERLEAVING on source." and my finished DVD was 5.05GB and the high/low/typical bitrate was 500/500/500. Should I try again on the original or try to rebuild the 5.05GB file?

BTW, I'm using Rebuilder 0.93.2 with CCE Basic 2.70.1.4 and AVISynth 2.5.