Experiencing Difficulty Using DVD RB and CCE? If So, Then Ask Your Questions Here.

tranman
Formatting is a pain, but when an OS is corrupted, it is sometimes the last resort. However, a few posts back, the normal fix was mentioned. Simply delete the software associated with the RB/CCE setup (all of it), cleanup the system, defrag if needed, run a reg cleaner, reboot and reinstall the RB setup as though you were doing it the first time; following Vurbal's setup guide step by step. Of course remember to use dgdecode instead of the mpeg plugin and use Avisynth 2.55.

You had to do the clean install following the format. It would have been interesting to know if just deleting and reinstalling the complete RB/CCE setup would have cured the problem.

I've found that updating RB within the RB/CCE app framework causes the setup to get corrupted. A clean install is needed on occasion to get things straightened back up.

And speaking of RAM, 256MB is minimal. RAM is the cheapest and best upgrade one can do for a PC. Most PCs come without enough RAM. In most cases you only get more than minimum if you request it. Even going from 512MB to 1GB RAM makes a significant improvement when doing DVD authoring and recording. Working with less than 512MB RAM when recording DVD is asking for slowdowns and associated problems.

Another item not stressed enough is the additional space needed for working with RB. With other apps it states you have to have about 12 GB free space. A good rule of thumb with RB/CCE is to double that. It's just a bit more than actually needed, but one doesn't want to try to use all of a systems resources. If you're getting close to filling a HD, you don't want to push the fringe. Also, I've heard that RB with some of the other optional software can require even more space.

 

Seems to be an appropriate spot to ask a new question. At least I haven't seen it posted. [bold]Why is Decomb.dll in the setup?[/bold] It can be entered and a path set for the plugin, similar to the Decode or Mpeg plugins. From what I've seen, the plugin is for working with interleaved files. [bold]Also, doesn't one need to be able to fine tune this Avisynth plugin to get it to function properly? Is the decomb programing included in RB to work with Avisynth and CCE automatically?[/bold] I've not seen anything on decomb in any of the guides. The additional plugin setup just seemed to appear a few versions ago and no one said anything about it, one way or the other. RB67 appears to be functioning flawlessly without Decomb being installed.

Here's a good one. [bold]Being as how Decomb.dll is there, how does it work and how does one set it up and get it to work and under what circumstances is it needed?[/bold] That was a good list. [bold]Now what version of decomb does one use?[/bold] It appears, like Avisynth, decomb has been upgraded. [bold]Does one use the Decomb500.dll or an older version?[/bold]

 

brobear

You don't need to use Decomb.dll unless you're experiencing a problem with deinterlacing.

 

Sophocles,
I'm still not smart enough to leave things well enough alone. Otherwise I wouldn't constantly be upgrading the apps to see if the new "toys" work better. However, I don't stick plugins like decomb in just to see what happens. Luckily, I don't need it yet.

It would be nice to have an answer to the questions I presented; just in case I run into deinterleaving problems or someone having the problem needs the solution. I don't think jdobbs would have just thrown in the decomb capability without purpose. I just wish detailed instructions and explanations went with some of these improvements.

 

brobear

Some settings are a play by play option. If you're experiencing a problem with deinterlacing then you might want to use Decomb.dll to see if that fixes the problem but otherwise you don’t need it. Interleaving is a different function.

Go here for some explanation of what they are

. http://www.doom9.org/

When you arrive to Doom9 you'll see a menu to your left, you'll find the info under glossary.

 

Been there, in fact I'm a member, if I can just remember my password. LOL I've been to Neuron and Sourceforge as well. I've learned a little about decomb. I've also learned that no one appears to have much info on the decomb and RB setup, other than jdobbs and his inner circle. Maybe Vurbal will come along and enlighten us on this part of the app.

 

No inner circle here...

I added that option because someone (I can't remember who) was really hounding me about it. Very rarely you will run across an older source that, although it came from a film originally, was encoded as interlaced. Not telecined, but actually containing encoded frames that had been created by some external telecine process. Decomb can remove those additional pseudo-frames and give you more bandwidth (and a better picture) due to the 23.976 framerate.

This is very, very rare -- and I personally haven't used it in a long time.

 

jdobbs
Nice to know I'll probably never need it. I noticed that decomb has undergone some revisions as has Avisynth. There is now a Decomb500.dll. I was just wondering which version of Decomb should be used if it were ever needed. Some of the command language was changed in the later version (decomb500). Does RB contain the settings to run decomb without any additional input?

I was just curious. When features are added and no one says anything about them or how they work, or what is needed in the way of software plugin versions, I just start wondering about the "what if".

 

Well... uhh... whoops... now for the embarrassing part. I have to correct myself. The use I mentioned is accurate, but the only thing it does is fielddeinterlace. So it wouldn't change the framerate, but would make the source progressive.

Like I said, I haven't used it in a long time.

 

Well, this puts my mind at ease. I have asked what this was a dozen times with no response so I just gave up. I'm glad brobear remained resolute and persevered to the end. (a nice way to say he's more stubborn than I am,LOL) ;>)

 

That's like a boulder calling a stone a rock. LOL

 

Sorry I missed the question, walked that path some time ago.

jdobbs

Tell me you didn't add Decomb.dll because of happyuser?

 

Back everyone but luckily as of yet no problems thus far and my recent encodes have gone without a problem. But I do have a question regarding DVDs with animation, e.g. Batman Animated Series. I understand that there are specific settings required to have a good transfer for DVDs like this, would someone care to suggest the recommended setting for this DVD set in the CCE settings. For a clearer description the window listed below.

 

HKT3020

Treat them the same as you would any other movie. Animations usually require less attention than ordinary movies because there are fewer fine details and colors. In fact many animations even look ok in VCD format.

 

I have a question and this goes out to the CCE users who have dealt with this program for a good while. Based on the information supplied through the forums, guides etc., completing more than 4-passes will gain nothing. Why does the program allow a maximum of 10-passes. Is there anything gained from 10-passes or more and if so when should it be used on which level compression? (e.g.50% or less)

 

HKT3020...I have settled in on using 3 passes when I need 50% or more reduction. While a 4th pass would provide more quality, for me this difference is negligible, and isn't worth the extra time to do the extra pass. An exception might be a classic with an intermission or a movie I really like.

 

HKT3020
You'll have to pay attention to the version of CCE being used as well. Basic only does 2 passes. Someone told me that if you set the passes higher than 2 it defaults to 1 pass. I haven't tried it to find out. The main thought here being CCE Basic only does 2 passes.

The CCE SP is the app capable of doing the higher number of passes. Every one appears to agree over 4 passes is wasting ones time. You can listen to Doc on that. SP is a pro app costing nearly $2000, not many people purchase it just to work with RB. Basic has the same encoding engine at only about $50 or so. So you can see the bargain CCE Basic is.

 

HKT3020

It's amazing what you hear in regards to how many passes are best. In conversations with jdobbs I seem to recall that using 3 passes isn't any visually better than 2 passes but it wouldn't be there if it didn't do anything and it's [robable that there is some advantage int bitrate assignment. Encoding with 4 passes is likely to give you some slight advantages because it better assists CCE SP in bitrate distribution, especially on large films around the 50% range. As brobear stated if you have CCE Basic and you're trying more than 2 passes then you're doing more harm than good.

 

Thanks for the replies everyone and well here is another question which has me scratching my head. I noticed in the advanced settings guide for DVD-RB, you can change the final disc size once the whole transcoding process is complete. I've been working on a few Season DVDs and well I want to set it to 4420MB rather than what the program is set to by default. Anyone advise the change & how would one go about doing this?
Much appreciated as always.

Also I should note that my media is fairly good quality as well, using HP DVD+Rs here. And before I forget, the guide for changing this is outdated and doesn't apply to the latest version of DVD-RB.

 

HKT3020+

You won't be able to burn the result with a file size that larege. I get nervous when I get a file size of 4.35 because that's pushing it to the limit which is 4.37. I like mine to come in at around 4.32-4.34 maximum.